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[sorry for advertisement spam]

Hi there

would be anybody interested in Nintedo DSi + 2 games for some reasonable price (like 1.5k CZK) ?
I have figured out that I haven't touched it for several months and some child or other playful spirit might find that helpful ;-)

Actually I've heard that you can run linux on it as well ;-)

Lubos

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On 25/07/11 16:04, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 25.7.2011 15:25, Scott Seago napsal(a):
>> My own experience is that UDP mode works well for interrupts of local
>> connectivity (i.e. in Westford when moving upstairs/downstairs and I
>> drop/reconnect the wifi connection), but when the interrupts were 
>> further away (my wifi connection to my home router is stable, but my ISP
>> link is unstable) I needed to use TCP mode for OpenVPN to survive
>> interrupts.
> 
> Note however, that this robustness is not for free ... TCP mode is
> substantially slower.
> 

TCP mode shouldn't be a problem *if* you have a stable link without package
drops.  But in the moment where you get package drops and use TCP inside
the VPN tunnel, you'll get all kind of fun when TCP packets times out and
are resent.  Then you'll get the OpenVPN client/server connection doing
retransmissions and then in addition the TCP layer inside the tunnel does
the same.  This kills the throughput performance and causes duplicated
packages to be received on the VPN tun device.

With VPN over UDP, you'll avoid these issues, as the TCP traffic inside the
tunnel will be retransmitted as needed.  I'd recommend to use TCP only when
UDP doesn't work and you can't fix it.  However, VPN over UDP is
challenging with some ISPs, though.

Some more details:
<http://www.openvpn.net/papers/BLUG-talk/15.html>
<http://sites.inka.de/~bigred/devel/tcp-tcp.html>


David S.

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On 07/28/2011 08:42 PM, Alex Pinchev wrote:
> As previously announced, we have been working on restructuring and
> redesigning redhat.com worldwide.  As we prepare to launch the new
> redhat.com in the upcoming weeks, I would like to invite you to preview
> the changes.  On August 9, 2011 Joel Berman and the cross-functional
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> look, feel, and other features.  Invitations to the sessions will soon
> be sent to announce-list.

Is there some reason why not make it available as e.g www.qa.redhat.com
from internal network?

-- 
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On 08/02/2011 04:25 AM, Miroslav Such wrote:
> On 07/28/2011 08:42 PM, Alex Pinchev wrote:
>> As previously announced, we have been working on restructuring and
>> redesigning redhat.com worldwide.  As we prepare to launch the new
>> redhat.com in the upcoming weeks, I would like to invite you to preview
>> the changes.  On August 9, 2011 Joel Berman and the cross-functional
>> core team will host two internal briefings so that you can see the new
>> look, feel, and other features.  Invitations to the sessions will soon
>> be sent to announce-list.
> Is there some reason why not make it available as e.g www.qa.redhat.com
> from internal network?
>
The main reason for not making it available on August 9th in the QA 
environment is that we are continually working on the content, 
translations, performance tests, system configuration etc in preparation 
for our go live date.  Once we are ready for production, the new system 
will be available in all standard integration environments (dev / qa/ 
stage) for other teams to test and integrate their code with.

--
gs

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On 08/02/2011 03:00 PM, Grant Shipley wrote:

> The main reason for not making it available on August 9th in the QA
> environment is that we are continually working on the content,
> translations, performance tests, system configuration etc in preparation
> for our go live date.  Once we are ready for production, the new system
> will be available in all standard integration environments (dev / qa/
> stage) for other teams to test and integrate their code with.

How long will the transtion period be (Delta between making it available
on dev/ga/stage and going in production)?

This all sounds again like "done deal, eat it" which is not really the
collaborative and open way Red Hat is so proud off ;-)

Jan


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On 08/02/2011 09:05 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> On 08/02/2011 03:00 PM, Grant Shipley wrote:
>
>> The main reason for not making it available on August 9th in the QA
>> environment is that we are continually working on the content,
>> translations, performance tests, system configuration etc in preparation
>> for our go live date.  Once we are ready for production, the new system
>> will be available in all standard integration environments (dev / qa/
>> stage) for other teams to test and integrate their code with.
>
> How long will the transtion period be (Delta between making it available
> on dev/ga/stage and going in production)?
>
> This all sounds again like "done deal, eat it" which is not really the
> collaborative and open way Red Hat is so proud off ;-)

Emma has engaged many content authors and stakeholders (myself included) 
over the last several months in the content vetting process.  She has 
been completely transparent.  I can't speak to why someone would or 
would not be counted among stakeholders but those who were engaged have 
been very well informed.

-CB

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On 08/02/2011 03:28 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:

> Emma has engaged many content authors and stakeholders (myself included)
> over the last several months in the content vetting process.  She has
> been completely transparent.  I can't speak to why someone would or
> would not be counted among stakeholders but those who were engaged have
> been very well informed.

Good to know. Thanks for that information.

I still hope we can all take a look without being forced in to an
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On 08/02/2011 06:28 AM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> Emma has engaged many content authors and stakeholders (myself included) 
> over the last several months in the content vetting process.  She has 
> been completely transparent.  I can't speak to why someone would or 
> would not be counted among stakeholders but those who were engaged have 
> been very well informed.

There's a big difference in transparency between seeking feedback from
stakeholders (good) and opening up for feedback from anyone (better).
The former seems merely translucent...

Besides, aren't we all stakeholders in this?

Josh

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On 08/02/2011 12:39 PM, Josh Stone wrote:
> On 08/02/2011 06:28 AM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
>> Emma has engaged many content authors and stakeholders (myself included)
>> over the last several months in the content vetting process.  She has
>> been completely transparent.  I can't speak to why someone would or
>> would not be counted among stakeholders but those who were engaged have
>> been very well informed.
>
> There's a big difference in transparency between seeking feedback from
> stakeholders (good) and opening up for feedback from anyone (better).
> The former seems merely translucent...
>
> Besides, aren't we all stakeholders in this?

Should memo-list be consulted (in the RACI sense) on every single 
company decision?  If not, where is the line drawn?

I'm interested in your thoughts on this as a product manager (for 
Customer Portal) myself.  I'd rather not exclude (or even be perceived 
as excluding) anyone; on the other hand, widespread inclusion on 
everything gets tiresome to those who don't want to engage and 
furthermore tends to lead to bike shed discussions.

In my experience, those who want to engage in X will have proactively 
engaged in X long before any big decisions are to be made (regardless of 
what X is).

-CB

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On 08/02/2011 10:09 AM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> On 08/02/2011 12:39 PM, Josh Stone wrote:
>> There's a big difference in transparency between seeking feedback from
>> stakeholders (good) and opening up for feedback from anyone (better).
>> The former seems merely translucent...
>>
>> Besides, aren't we all stakeholders in this?
> 
> Should memo-list be consulted (in the RACI sense) on every single 
> company decision?  If not, where is the line drawn?

Of course this doesn't need to happen on every little thing, and I don't
have a rule for you to draw that line.  Perhaps since the result is
worthy of announce-list, higher engagement is warranted.  I do think
that a major redesign of the corporate website, one of the faces of our
company, deserves wide and early feedback.

I'm not familiar with RACI terms, but I wouldn't even consider it
"consulting" memo-list as much as inviting interested parties.
Something like, "Hey, we're redesigning the website -- here are our
early prototypes, and we'll be discussing on this mailing list and this
IRC channel."

> I'm interested in your thoughts on this as a product manager (for 
> Customer Portal) myself.  I'd rather not exclude (or even be perceived 
> as excluding) anyone; on the other hand, widespread inclusion on 
> everything gets tiresome to those who don't want to engage and 
> furthermore tends to lead to bike shed discussions.

If the discussions happen in an open place, then no one is excluded.
That doesn't need to be memo-list, probably shouldn't be.  But when big
things are happening that you expect many to care about, a heads-up and
a pointer to the open discussions would be nice.

Bike sheds are always an issue, but I hope you'll leave the door open
for productive discussions anyway.

> In my experience, those who want to engage in X will have proactively 
> engaged in X long before any big decisions are to be made (regardless of 
> what X is).

I expect that's true of people who want to consistently engage in X, but
those with just a passing interest may not have time to monitor it.  I
don't attend city council meetings, but I might if I knew that something
big was about to change.

For all this, I'm no web designer, so I probably would have just glanced
at any early announcement, said "neat!" and moved on.  So I don't want
to labor too much on this point of openness.  I guess my concern is just
how you stated that this design consulted particular authors and
stakeholders, but in an open ecosystem you may have no idea who will
have the great idea you need.

Josh

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On 08/02/2011 02:00 PM, Josh Stone wrote:

> I'm not familiar with RACI terms, but I wouldn't even consider it
> "consulting" memo-list as much as inviting interested parties.
> Something like, "Hey, we're redesigning the website -- here are our
> early prototypes, and we'll be discussing on this mailing list and this
> IRC channel."

Hijacking a little bit here to offer visibility into an area which I 
*can* influence...if you're interested in the Customer Portal or other 
components of the Customer Platform, by all means follow this blog:

https://docspace.corp.redhat.com/community/departments/gss/subscriber_platform?view=blog

Folks interested in the Customer Portal are welcome to join our 
bi-weekly meeting:

https://docspace.corp.redhat.com/docs/DOC-64229

-CB

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On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 01:09:29PM -0400, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> >There's a big difference in transparency between seeking feedback from
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> >The former seems merely translucent...
> >
> >Besides, aren't we all stakeholders in this?
>=20
> Should memo-list be consulted (in the RACI sense) on every single
> company decision?  If not, where is the line drawn?

Agreed completely. All x,000+ of us can't possibly be involved in every
single decision on every single project.

Perhaps a middle ground is a periodic (weekly, monthly) build artifact
available internally to get feedback from a wider audience? Certainly
not QA since that would interfere with testing, and not STAGE. But
somewhere where people can play and comment on the design as it evolves?

Yes, we're all stakeholders in redhat.com, but we don't help if we're
nattering hens rather than just being chickens.

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On 08/02/2011 11:31 AM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> Hijacking a little bit here to offer visibility into an area which I 
> *can* influence...if you're interested in the Customer Portal or other 
> components of the Customer Platform, by all means follow this blog:
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> Folks interested in the Customer Portal are welcome to join our 
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Great!  Whether or not you get new attendance, it's nice to see.

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If you can read that -- good for you... and maybe good for me, if the
grammar is correct.

There are a few microblogging services in China, but Weibo.com is
rapidly becoming the popular choice there.

Obviously we have a twitter presence.  Is there any thought to
syndicating our twitter feed, or having a separate presence on Weibo?
I haven't found one (yet).  There is a "redhat" user already but it
doesn't seem to be officially affiliated with us.

http://weibo.com/redhat

A few articles about the growth of Weibo.  

http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/05/17/chinas-weibos-vs-uss-twitter-and-the-winner-is/
http://asiancorrespondent.com/57429/us-celebs-could-boost-sina-weibos-international-aspirations/

Seems it might be a good opportunity, especially given the growing
number of RH colleagues and business in China. Thoughts?


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There is a microblog about fedoraproject, please refer http://weibo.com/fedoraproject
It is good to offer more ways for the contributors to communicate, but this will also
cause the dispersion.

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> There are a few microblogging services in China, but Weibo.com is
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> 
> Obviously we have a twitter presence. Is there any thought to
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> 
> http://weibo.com/redhat
> 
> A few articles about the growth of Weibo.
> 
> http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/05/17/chinas-weibos-vs-uss-twitter-and-the-winner-is/
> http://asiancorrespondent.com/57429/us-celebs-could-boost-sina-weibos-international-aspirations/
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In my nearly four (4) years with Red Hat, I had never planned to
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We are looking into this and we are looking for people to assist to 
"weibo" as well.

Let me know if you know any.

Cheers

Alan

On 08/03/2011 11:09 AM, corey welton wrote:
> If you can read that -- good for you... and maybe good for me, if the
> grammar is correct.
>
> There are a few microblogging services in China, but Weibo.com is
> rapidly becoming the popular choice there.
>
> Obviously we have a twitter presence.  Is there any thought to
> syndicating our twitter feed, or having a separate presence on Weibo?
> I haven't found one (yet).  There is a "redhat" user already but it
> doesn't seem to be officially affiliated with us.
>
> http://weibo.com/redhat
>
> A few articles about the growth of Weibo.
>
> http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/05/17/chinas-weibos-vs-uss-twitter-and-the-winner-is/
> http://asiancorrespondent.com/57429/us-celebs-could-boost-sina-weibos-international-aspirations/
>
> Seems it might be a good opportunity, especially given the growing
> number of RH colleagues and business in China. Thoughts?
>
>
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grammar is correct.

There are a few microblogging services in China, but Weibo.com is
rapidly becoming the popular choice there.

Obviously we have a twitter presence.  Is there any thought to
syndicating our twitter feed, or having a separate presence on Weibo?
I haven't found one (yet).  There is a "redhat" user already but it
doesn't seem to be officially affiliated with us.

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://weibo.com/redhat">http://weibo.com/redhat</a>

A few articles about the growth of Weibo.  

<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/05/17/chinas-weibos-vs-uss-twitter-and-the-winner-is/">http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/05/17/chinas-weibos-vs-uss-twitter-and-the-winner-is/</a>
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 23:21:47 -0400 (EDT)
Hongqing Yang <hoyang@redhat.com> wrote:

> There is a microblog about fedoraproject, please refer
> http://weibo.com/fedoraproject It is good to offer more ways for the
> contributors to communicate, but this will also cause the dispersion.


谢谢 hongqing!  This is awesome!


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Can anyone point me to (or give me) a more detailed account of Union Pacific's contributions to the JOPR project/community, and what other customers/industries may have benefitted from their work? 

I found a little bit about it in the solutions guide, but I need more. 

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<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Can anyone point me to (or give me) a more detailed account of Union Pacific's contributions to the JOPR project/community, and what other customers/industries may have benefitted from their work?<br><br>I found a little bit about it in the solutions guide, but I need more.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Colin Dodd<br>Corporate Marketing<br></div></body></html>
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Hi Colin, 

Contact me off list. I can probably answer the question, but I'm not sure what you're looking for exactly. 

-alan

On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Colin Dodd wrote:

> Can anyone point me to (or give me) a more detailed account of Union Pacific's contributions to the JOPR project/community, and what other customers/industries may have benefitted from their work?
> 
> I found a little bit about it in the solutions guide, but I need more.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Colin Dodd
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Best of luck Bryan!

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> In my nearly four (4) years with Red Hat, I had never planned to
> leave as I believe in the shared mission.  Red Hat is the commercial
> standard of, by and for community development and knowledge -- the
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> Smiths, the Lester Claudios, the countless developers I troubled in
> IM, far too many to list, who are Red Hat to me.  I will miss you all
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> 
>  With the utmost considerations,
> 
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>  Senior Consultant
> 
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Good luck!
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> Best of luck Bryan!
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> --
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> On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:04 PM, Bryan Smith wrote:
>
> > In my nearly four (4) years with Red Hat, I had never planned to
> > leave as I believe in the shared mission.  Red Hat is the
> > commercial
> > standard of, by and for community development and knowledge -- the
> > defining technology company of the 21st century.  I continue to
> > firmly believe this, which made the choice to take another
> > assignment
> > outside of Red Hat extremely difficult.  I can only offer the
> > promise
> > to bring additional credentials and clients with me, should I ask
> > Red Hat ever entertain my return in the future.
> >
> > There has been no commercial entity I am fonder of than Red Hat in
> > my
> > entire career.  I believe this is unlikely to change in the future.
> > There are so many people to thank for so many of the years.  Some
> > no
> > longer with us, and some who still are.  The Dawn Mitchells, the
> > Brent Langstons, the Ginnie Magrinis, the Joann Kelleys, the Calvin
> > Smiths, the Lester Claudios, the countless developers I troubled in
> > IM, far too many to list, who are Red Hat to me.  I will miss you
> > all
> > dearly, although it's a small world after all.  ;)
> >
> >  With the utmost considerations,
> >
> >  Bryan J Smith
> >  Senior Consultant
> >
> >  LinkedIn Profile:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith
> >  Personal E-mail:   b.j.smith@ieee.org
> >    NOTE:  It should be obvious, but I'll mention it regardless ...
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> >
> > P.S.  Given the last ten (10) years of my career has been
> > consulting
> > and contracting all over the US, I have had little time to put down
> > any roots.  Because of the short-term nature of my engagements over
> > the years, I have never asked anyone for any recommendations on
> > LinkedIn before.  For nearly four (4) years, I did my best to
> > represent Red Hat, our values, our mission.  If you feel the
> > services
> > I rendered on behalf of Red Hat were favorable, please feel free
> > (but
> > please do not feel obligated) to leave a recommendation for my
> > profile.  I will never ask anyone for a recommendation who is
> > LinkedIn with me, and only mention it this one time here, in my
> > "farewell P.S."  Thank you for all considerations.
> >
> > --
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> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith
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On Wed, 2011-08-03 at 00:04 -0400, Bryan Smith wrote:
> In my nearly four (4) years with Red Hat, I had never planned to
> leave as I believe in the shared mission.  Red Hat is the commercial
> standard of, by and for community development and knowledge -- the
> defining technology company of the 21st century.  I continue to
> firmly believe this, which made the choice to take another assignment
> outside of Red Hat extremely difficult.  I can only offer the promise
> to bring additional credentials and clients with me, should I ask
> Red Hat ever entertain my return in the future.
>=20
> There has been no commercial entity I am fonder of than Red Hat in my
> entire career.  I believe this is unlikely to change in the future. =20
> There are so many people to thank for so many of the years.  Some no
> longer with us, and some who still are.  The Dawn Mitchells, the
> Brent Langstons, the Ginnie Magrinis, the Joann Kelleys, the Calvin
> Smiths, the Lester Claudios, the countless developers I troubled in
> IM, far too many to list, who are Red Hat to me.  I will miss you all
> dearly, although it's a small world after all.  ;)

Best wishes on a bright future, Bryan.  It was a pleasure meeting you
and spending time with you at my first Red Hat Summit.

'til we meet again,

George

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Best wishes for future success.

Regards
-steve

On 08/02/2011 09:04 PM, Bryan Smith wrote:
> In my nearly four (4) years with Red Hat, I had never planned to
> leave as I believe in the shared mission.  Red Hat is the commercial
> standard of, by and for community development and knowledge -- the
> defining technology company of the 21st century.  I continue to
> firmly believe this, which made the choice to take another assignment
> outside of Red Hat extremely difficult.  I can only offer the promise
> to bring additional credentials and clients with me, should I ask
> Red Hat ever entertain my return in the future.
> 
> There has been no commercial entity I am fonder of than Red Hat in my
> entire career.  I believe this is unlikely to change in the future.  
> There are so many people to thank for so many of the years.  Some no
> longer with us, and some who still are.  The Dawn Mitchells, the
> Brent Langstons, the Ginnie Magrinis, the Joann Kelleys, the Calvin
> Smiths, the Lester Claudios, the countless developers I troubled in
> IM, far too many to list, who are Red Hat to me.  I will miss you all
> dearly, although it's a small world after all.  ;)
> 
>   With the utmost considerations,
> 
>   Bryan J Smith
>   Senior Consultant
> 
>   LinkedIn Profile:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith  
>   Personal E-mail:   b.j.smith@ieee.org
>     NOTE:  It should be obvious, but I'll mention it regardless ...
>       please TO/CC my IEEE address if I am to see your response  ;)
> 
> P.S.  Given the last ten (10) years of my career has been consulting 
> and contracting all over the US, I have had little time to put down 
> any roots.  Because of the short-term nature of my engagements over 
> the years, I have never asked anyone for any recommendations on 
> LinkedIn before.  For nearly four (4) years, I did my best to 
> represent Red Hat, our values, our mission.  If you feel the services
> I rendered on behalf of Red Hat were favorable, please feel free (but
> please do not feel obligated) to leave a recommendation for my
> profile.  I will never ask anyone for a recommendation who is
> LinkedIn with me, and only mention it this one time here, in my
> "farewell P.S."  Thank you for all considerations.
> 

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Best of Luck Bryan. Very sorry to see you go.

On 08/03/2011 12:04 AM, Bryan Smith wrote:
> In my nearly four (4) years with Red Hat, I had never planned to
> leave as I believe in the shared mission.  Red Hat is the commercial
> standard of, by and for community development and knowledge -- the
> defining technology company of the 21st century.  I continue to
> firmly believe this, which made the choice to take another assignment
> outside of Red Hat extremely difficult.  I can only offer the promise
> to bring additional credentials and clients with me, should I ask
> Red Hat ever entertain my return in the future.
>
> There has been no commercial entity I am fonder of than Red Hat in my
> entire career.  I believe this is unlikely to change in the future.
> There are so many people to thank for so many of the years.  Some no
> longer with us, and some who still are.  The Dawn Mitchells, the
> Brent Langstons, the Ginnie Magrinis, the Joann Kelleys, the Calvin
> Smiths, the Lester Claudios, the countless developers I troubled in
> IM, far too many to list, who are Red Hat to me.  I will miss you all
> dearly, although it's a small world after all.  ;)
>
>    With the utmost considerations,
>
>    Bryan J Smith
>    Senior Consultant
>
>    LinkedIn Profile:  http://www.linkedin.com/in/bjsmith
>    Personal E-mail:   b.j.smith@ieee.org
>      NOTE:  It should be obvious, but I'll mention it regardless ...
>        please TO/CC my IEEE address if I am to see your response  ;)
>
> P.S.  Given the last ten (10) years of my career has been consulting
> and contracting all over the US, I have had little time to put down
> any roots.  Because of the short-term nature of my engagements over
> the years, I have never asked anyone for any recommendations on
> LinkedIn before.  For nearly four (4) years, I did my best to
> represent Red Hat, our values, our mission.  If you feel the services
> I rendered on behalf of Red Hat were favorable, please feel free (but
> please do not feel obligated) to leave a recommendation for my
> profile.  I will never ask anyone for a recommendation who is
> LinkedIn with me, and only mention it this one time here, in my
> "farewell P.S."  Thank you for all considerations.
>


-- 
Regards,
   Peter Larsen
   Solutions Architect
   JBoss by Red Hat
   Email: plarsen@redhat.com
   Phone: 540 738 0733

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On 08/02/2011 07:09 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> Should memo-list be consulted (in the RACI sense) on every single
> company decision? 

Every *important* decision.
Why not.

That is is up to you whether you expect hundreds emails of "Good work.
Thank you." Or hundreds emails where you will get reports of problems
and whether are you willing to address them.

> If not, where is the line drawn?

Use common sense.
My common sense is:

1) Ask only for relevant decision. E.g. if I have two options how to fix
some BZ, I ask on different mailing list then memo-list.

2) If you are going to announce the change for all employees then it is
worth ask for feedback of all employees. Well except announcing new
version of RHEL/JBOSS and except announcing financial results. :)

Our website is our front line to our customers. I very often send to
customers and to users links to various pages of our web site.
If I would have trouble to find there something and if I would have
trouble with some part of web site, I can be hardly an ambassador of
this web. I.e I can be hardly an ambassador of such company.
And I believe we all want to be ambassadors of Red Hat.

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Hi,

these who'd like to request wire or check in fidelity netbenefits trough firefox 4/5 will have a following problem:
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Workaround:

Use firefox 3.X or IE :(

Lubos

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On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 04:44:23AM -0400, Lubos Kocman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> these who'd like to request wire or check in fidelity netbenefits trough firefox 4/5 will have a following problem:
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676478
> 
> Workaround:
> 
> Use firefox 3.X or IE :(

Or a webkit browser (midori, arora, ...).

-- 
Miroslav Lichvar

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On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 10:20:48AM +0200, Miroslav Such=FD wrote:
> On 08/02/2011 07:09 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> > Should memo-list be consulted (in the RACI sense) on every single
> > company decision?=20
>=20
> Every *important* decision.
> Why not.

Define "important" for each person in the company. ;)

> That is is up to you whether you expect hundreds emails of "Good work.
> Thank you." Or hundreds emails where you will get reports of problems
> and whether are you willing to address them.

Maybe memo-list isn't the right venue for every such announcement? What
other options are there for making such plans (internally) publically
accessible without reducing the signal:noise ratio?

> > If not, where is the line drawn?
>=20
> Use common sense.

The problem here is that I'm going to guess they already _did_ use
common sense. R

> My common sense is:

=2E..not "common" (no insult intended). Your approach to a development
problem is not necessarily going to apply to a business problem, or even
another domain within development such as UX design.=20

Sure, I'd like to know before all the final decisions are made about
several aspects of RH's business, even when I'm not a stakeholder nor
have any SME to share. I don't know that a mailing list is the right way
to go about doing it, though.

--=20
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On 08/04/2011 02:47 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:

> Define "important" for each person in the company. ;)

I raise a red herring here ;-)

Fact is that on all our ofices we have posters, prints, stained glass
with stuff like "Sharing is better" "We are open" "Open Doors, Open Source".

Fact is that I am doing new hire orientations now for almost 5 years and
I really care about educating the "new ones" that Red Hat is a company
build on communication, transparency and full of ways to make yourself
heard.

Fact is however that this more and more feels wrong to say.

Redesigning the most important part of our outside representation - the
web site - is something that affects all of us, in one way or another.
Fact is that while discussions are being done between the so-called
stakeholders (which implies that is NOT all of us but only a select few)
tells quite some people that somebody is not interested in their thoughts.

I understand that it is not possible to discuss each and every part of
the redesign with a global audience like memo-list.

But it should be a no-brainer (and part of any plan) to "pick the
brains" of our collected wisdom every once in a while.

Do not underestimate the importance of at least getting the feeling that
ones opinion counts. We *want* to be involved, we *want* to help,
assist, make progrress.

But when this fundamental characteristic of Red Hat is met with an
"ordre de mufti" approach of "k, you can take a look but we are not
interested in your opinion coz we already made the decisions" you are
doing it wrong IMHO.

But this all can be fixed and we all can learn from this. Instead of
forcing people to be ate a precise date and time in an elluminate
session (which still has problems with OpenJDK AFAICS), why not make (at
the very least) a set of screenshots with some explanations available
and allow people to comment?

Jan

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On 08/04/2011 06:45 PM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> On 08/04/2011 02:47 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>
>> Define "important" for each person in the company. ;)
> I raise a red herring here ;-)
>
> Fact is that on all our ofices we have posters, prints, stained glass
> with stuff like "Sharing is better" "We are open" "Open Doors, Open Source".
>
> Fact is that I am doing new hire orientations now for almost 5 years and
> I really care about educating the "new ones" that Red Hat is a company
> build on communication, transparency and full of ways to make yourself
> heard.
>
> Fact is however that this more and more feels wrong to say.
>
> Redesigning the most important part of our outside representation - the
> web site - is something that affects all of us, in one way or another.
> Fact is that while discussions are being done between the so-called
> stakeholders (which implies that is NOT all of us but only a select few)
> tells quite some people that somebody is not interested in their thoughts.
Defeats the open source model of doing things, which is Red Hat's way, 
as far as I know it, and admire.
>
> I understand that it is not possible to discuss each and every part of
> the redesign with a global audience like memo-list.
>
> But it should be a no-brainer (and part of any plan) to "pick the
> brains" of our collected wisdom every once in a while.
>
> Do not underestimate the importance of at least getting the feeling that
> ones opinion counts. We *want* to be involved, we *want* to help,
> assist, make progrress.
Getting people to feel that their opinion is sought in itself is morale 
boosting, so provide an avenue for people to be able to do that. Maybe 
not from point that the project is starting off, if you are afraid of 
the project loosing focus, but at various stages at least.
>
> But when this fundamental characteristic of Red Hat is met with an
> "ordre de mufti" approach of "k, you can take a look but we are not
> interested in your opinion coz we already made the decisions" you are
> doing it wrong IMHO.
More 'Closed doors, Closed source' model, in my opinion. We would not 
have had the brilliant GNU/Linux system today, if this model was followed.
>
> But this all can be fixed and we all can learn from this. Instead of
> forcing people to be ate a precise date and time in an elluminate
> session (which still has problems with OpenJDK AFAICS), why not make (at
> the very least) a set of screenshots with some explanations available
> and allow people to comment?
+1 Good point. Would help to have opinions from within the company, 
before getting the brickbats from outside. :-)
>
> Jan
>
rejy

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On 08/04/2011 09:43 AM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:
> On 08/04/2011 06:45 PM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
>> On 08/04/2011 02:47 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>>
>>> Define "important" for each person in the company. ;)
>> I raise a red herring here ;-)
>>
>> Fact is that on all our ofices we have posters, prints, stained glass
>> with stuff like "Sharing is better" "We are open" "Open Doors, Open
>> Source".
>>
>> Fact is that I am doing new hire orientations now for almost 5 years and
>> I really care about educating the "new ones" that Red Hat is a company
>> build on communication, transparency and full of ways to make yourself
>> heard.
>>
>> Fact is however that this more and more feels wrong to say.
>>
>> Redesigning the most important part of our outside representation - the
>> web site - is something that affects all of us, in one way or another.
>> Fact is that while discussions are being done between the so-called
>> stakeholders (which implies that is NOT all of us but only a select few)
>> tells quite some people that somebody is not interested in their
>> thoughts.
> Defeats the open source model of doing things, which is Red Hat's way,
> as far as I know it, and admire.

I use Fedora and yet I was never consulted on Fedora's next release. 
How can that be?

Not consulting/informing everyone is not the same thing as closing the 
door to interested parties.

-CB

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On 08/04/2011 03:46 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:

> I use Fedora and yet I was never consulted on Fedora's next release. How
> can that be?

When Mairin redesigns parts of the fedora website she makes mockups
available, announces them, discusses them, alters them before they enter
staging or even production. She invites *all* to particpate.

#justsayin

Jan


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On 08/04/2011 09:51 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> On 08/04/2011 03:46 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
>
>> I use Fedora and yet I was never consulted on Fedora's next release. How
>> can that be?
>
> When Mairin redesigns parts of the fedora website she makes mockups
> available, announces them, discusses them, alters them before they enter
> staging or even production. She invites *all* to particpate.
>
> #justsayin

All from what audience?  You must mean all who have chosen to 
participate in that community.  Many folks have, through choice or 
otherwise, either been invited or chosen to be included in the community 
of participants in the redhat.com redesign.  Those people have been 
extremely well informed about the goings-on.  Want to get involved?  I'm 
confident you can make that happen.

-CB

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On 08/04/2011 07:26 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> On 08/04/2011 09:51 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
>> On 08/04/2011 03:46 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
>>
>>> I use Fedora and yet I was never consulted on Fedora's next release. 
>>> How
>>> can that be?
>>
>> When Mairin redesigns parts of the fedora website she makes mockups
>> available, announces them, discusses them, alters them before they enter
>> staging or even production. She invites *all* to particpate.
>>
>> #justsayin
>
> All from what audience?  You must mean all who have chosen to 
> participate in that community.  Many folks have, through choice or 
> otherwise, either been invited or chosen to be included in the 
> community of participants in the redhat.com redesign.  Those people 
> have been extremely well informed about the goings-on.  Want to get 
> involved?  I'm confident you can make that happen.
But how can you go through the door, if the door is visible to only 
those who wear the right glasses ! :-)
>
> -CB
>
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On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 09:46:11AM -0400, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> I use Fedora and yet I was never consulted on Fedora's next release.
> How can that be?

But you (presumably) knew that a new version was being worked on, and
had some idea of where you could go if you wanted to find out more
information or perhaps contribute. I can't say the same for redhat.com,
though perhaps my own ignorance is partly to blame for that.

I think that is what's being asked for here. I certainly don't want to be
"consulted on" every project going on in the company, but it'd be neat
to know about the higher-profile ones as they were underway and know
where I could turn if I were interested in finding out more or perhaps
helping out where it made sense.

-- Matt

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Interesting thread going here. Being on the Internal Communications 
team, I am familiar with what information has come through the "internal 
pipeline," and so below I'll highlight the ways the website redesign 
team gave company-wide updates over the last few years (which in theory 
are great opportunities for the most passionate people to reach out to 
the communicator to get involved). (A wise woman once said "Red Hatters 
are rarely shy with their opinions" and in my experience, that's so 
true. I believe any one of the company-wide updates that the website 
redesign team did, before this most recent round of updates + 
invitations, could have also been opportunities for the most passionate 
people to get involved earlier in the project -- whether that be to 
request access to additional mockups, stage, to be part of the monthly 
meetings, etc.)

Anyway, company-wide mentions were made in:

* Some of the quarterly meetings (I didn't revisit the video files or 
synopsis of every one to see, but I know it was in there)

* In Charlie's blog post in 2009:
https://blogs.corp.redhat.com/strategicdirection/2009/11/19/charlie-strategy-and-mission-update/

* On announce-list[+], including these emails from Joel and Alex:
     -- 
http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/private/announce-list/2009-November/msg00021.html

     -- 
http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/private/announce-list/2010-December/msg00016.html

     -- 
http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/private/announce-list/2011-April/msg00001.html

     -- 
http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/private/announce-list/2011-July/msg00020.html

* On docspace (typically linked to the announcements, including a mockup)
     -- 
https://docspace.corp.redhat.com/community/departments/marketing/onlinemarketing/webredesign/blog/2010/12/15/faqs-global-web-initiative-aka-web-redesign

* The IT InsighT:
     -- 
https://blogs.corp.redhat.com/itcomms/2011/05/23/it-insight-may-2011/#website

And then the most recent opportunities on August 9, 2011 that everyone 
is invited to attend (which then started this thread).

So that's at least November 2009 through August 2011 of company-wide 
updates on what was going on.

We're getting ready to launch this thing and I hear you that you 
want/wanted to be able to provide input earlier, but a few things.

     * There were times in the last several years that all of us could 
have shared our preferences and requests for being involved in the 
process. The team wasn't preventing anyone from offering their input and 
feedback (based on the years worth of internal communications about the 
topic). I read the communications, listened to them, and was happy with 
my level of involvement as a reader/listener, and I was confident if I 
became more passionate and wanted to contribute at a deeper level, that 
the door was open.

     * The upcoming release won't be the last release. If you have 
feedback, then visit a session, learn what's going on, and make your 
feedback known. I have no doubt when the website redesign team is 
hosting the webinars, that not only will they show the site, talk about 
the changes and benefits, and answer questions --- but they will also 
listen and respond to feedback (that comes up in the session and after 
launch). The first launch is likely not the last!

I personally think the website redesign team did a great job updating 
the company over the years this project has been going on.

I see this most recent round of internal communications as a great step 
in the plan to involve everyone in the company before it's launched.

[+] you'll need your password to access it, here's a how to: 
https://home.corp.redhat.com/wiki/how-retrieve-mailing-list-password


On 08/04/2011 10:13 AM, Matt Wagner wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 09:46:11AM -0400, Chris Bredesen wrote:
>> I use Fedora and yet I was never consulted on Fedora's next release.
>> How can that be?
>
> But you (presumably) knew that a new version was being worked on, and
> had some idea of where you could go if you wanted to find out more
> information or perhaps contribute. I can't say the same for redhat.com,
> though perhaps my own ignorance is partly to blame for that.
>
> I think that is what's being asked for here. I certainly don't want to be
> "consulted on" every project going on in the company, but it'd be neat
> to know about the higher-profile ones as they were underway and know
> where I could turn if I were interested in finding out more or perhaps
> helping out where it made sense.
>
> -- Matt
>
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On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 03:15:21PM +0200, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> On 08/04/2011 02:47 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
>=20
> > Define "important" for each person in the company. ;)
>=20
> I raise a red herring here ;-)

And I call with "missing my point". ;)

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be made aware of things. I'm not
disagreeing that we should all have a voice.

I'm questioning whether sending a separate email for each new project
startup, decision point, etc. to my in box is the right way to get me
involved.

Refer to my signal:noise ratio comment - there comes a point where,
after seeing a flood of emails, a person starts to tune out and not pay
attention. And it's _THEN_ that all the openness and transparency fails
- when those who should be involved stop paying attention.

I was asking "How, in the 21st century, do we get everybody involved in
things like this?" and not "How do we keep the plebes from touching our
togas as we decide for them?"

--=20
Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Software Engineer @ Red Hat, Inc.
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Could this cause us problems in OEL vs RHEL discussions?

http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/435791

Best regards,

Alfredo

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Thanks Michelle.

I am on PTO, but also want to respond to the thread.

As you correctly point out, we are very open to feedback from ALL 
interested Red Hatters.   I started early research for this project in 
December of 2006 by posting a note to memo-list to ask for feedback on 
Web Content Management solutions--which is at the core of our 
re-development, re-architecture and redesign efforts.  We incorporated 
the memo-list feedback received into the CMS selection process.  The 
results, along with other project details, are posted in our project 
space (http://red.ht/web_redesign_project).  Throughout the project we 
have solicited input and feedback, as Michelle pointed out, and over 200 
Red Hatters have been involved in our core team providing direct 
feedback or participating in weekly project team meetings and/or monthly 
stakeholder calls.  In addition to hosting monthly stakeholder calls,  
we have tried to keep the other 3,000 plus Red Hatters updated via 
periodic announcements that Michelle noted below along with frequent 
updates to our project space (http://red.ht/web_redesign_project).

Thanks for your comments and feedback.  It is important for us to hear 
from you and we take your input very seriously. Additionally, what we've 
learned over the past few years is that not everyone wants to, needs to 
or has time to get involved in every detailed aspect of the project. Too 
little communication for some is too much for others.  So, the best way 
for us to meet your individual needs is for you to tell us what you 
need.  So please, read the announcements or updates coming out and if 
you don't feel included enough in the details, please just send me an 
email or text and we'll work very hard to meet your individual needs in 
a transparent, responsible, productive and collaborative way.  To that 
end, I am taking note of those who have indicated on memo-list that you 
would like to be more directly involved in the details and once I return 
from PTO we will figure out how to make that happen.

Thanks again,

e.


On 08/04/2011 10:33 AM, Michelle Thompson wrote:
> Interesting thread going here. Being on the Internal Communications 
> team, I am familiar with what information has come through the 
> "internal pipeline," and so below I'll highlight the ways the website 
> redesign team gave company-wide updates over the last few years (which 
> in theory are great opportunities for the most passionate people to 
> reach out to the communicator to get involved). (A wise woman once 
> said "Red Hatters are rarely shy with their opinions" and in my 
> experience, that's so true. I believe any one of the company-wide 
> updates that the website redesign team did, before this most recent 
> round of updates + invitations, could have also been opportunities for 
> the most passionate people to get involved earlier in the project -- 
> whether that be to request access to additional mockups, stage, to be 
> part of the monthly meetings, etc.)
>
> Anyway, company-wide mentions were made in:
>
> * Some of the quarterly meetings (I didn't revisit the video files or 
> synopsis of every one to see, but I know it was in there)
>
> * In Charlie's blog post in 2009:
> https://blogs.corp.redhat.com/strategicdirection/2009/11/19/charlie-strategy-and-mission-update/ 
>
>
> * On announce-list[+], including these emails from Joel and Alex:
>     -- 
> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/private/announce-list/2009-November/msg00021.html
>
>     -- 
> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/private/announce-list/2010-December/msg00016.html
>
>     -- 
> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/private/announce-list/2011-April/msg00001.html
>
>     -- 
> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/private/announce-list/2011-July/msg00020.html
>
> * On docspace (typically linked to the announcements, including a mockup)
>     -- 
> https://docspace.corp.redhat.com/community/departments/marketing/onlinemarketing/webredesign/blog/2010/12/15/faqs-global-web-initiative-aka-web-redesign
>
> * The IT InsighT:
>     -- 
> https://blogs.corp.redhat.com/itcomms/2011/05/23/it-insight-may-2011/#website
>
> And then the most recent opportunities on August 9, 2011 that everyone 
> is invited to attend (which then started this thread).
>
> So that's at least November 2009 through August 2011 of company-wide 
> updates on what was going on.
>
> We're getting ready to launch this thing and I hear you that you 
> want/wanted to be able to provide input earlier, but a few things.
>
>     * There were times in the last several years that all of us could 
> have shared our preferences and requests for being involved in the 
> process. The team wasn't preventing anyone from offering their input 
> and feedback (based on the years worth of internal communications 
> about the topic). I read the communications, listened to them, and was 
> happy with my level of involvement as a reader/listener, and I was 
> confident if I became more passionate and wanted to contribute at a 
> deeper level, that the door was open.
>
>     * The upcoming release won't be the last release. If you have 
> feedback, then visit a session, learn what's going on, and make your 
> feedback known. I have no doubt when the website redesign team is 
> hosting the webinars, that not only will they show the site, talk 
> about the changes and benefits, and answer questions --- but they will 
> also listen and respond to feedback (that comes up in the session and 
> after launch). The first launch is likely not the last!
>
> I personally think the website redesign team did a great job updating 
> the company over the years this project has been going on.
>
> I see this most recent round of internal communications as a great 
> step in the plan to involve everyone in the company before it's launched.
>
> [+] you'll need your password to access it, here's a how to: 
> https://home.corp.redhat.com/wiki/how-retrieve-mailing-list-password
>
>
> On 08/04/2011 10:13 AM, Matt Wagner wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 04, 2011 at 09:46:11AM -0400, Chris Bredesen wrote:
>>> I use Fedora and yet I was never consulted on Fedora's next release.
>>> How can that be?
>>
>> But you (presumably) knew that a new version was being worked on, and
>> had some idea of where you could go if you wanted to find out more
>> information or perhaps contribute. I can't say the same for redhat.com,
>> though perhaps my own ignorance is partly to blame for that.
>>
>> I think that is what's being asked for here. I certainly don't want 
>> to be
>> "consulted on" every project going on in the company, but it'd be neat
>> to know about the higher-profile ones as they were underway and know
>> where I could turn if I were interested in finding out more or perhaps
>> helping out where it made sense.
>>
>> -- Matt
>>
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Oracle will definitely be touting it as a feature that
OL (Oracle linux there is no more OEL) has that RHEL doesn't

It is unclear as to how wide spread Ksplice adoption is
amongst our customers.

It's also not clear if adoption of the "patching in production"
concept is a generally accepted best practice the data center.

We'll certainly be tracking customer interest on this.







Alfredo Moralejo wrote:
> Could this cause us problems in OEL vs RHEL discussions?
> 
> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/435791
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Alfredo
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FYI...for those interested in doing stuff with radio's in the Kernel domain... 

https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQk_2iRKrzhbZGdnd25qM21fMzZmNnY5NWQzYw&hl=en_US# 



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On 08/04/2011 07:33 AM, Michelle Thompson wrote:
>      * There were times in the last several years that all of us could 
> have shared our preferences and requests for being involved in the 
> process. The team wasn't preventing anyone from offering their input and 
> feedback (based on the years worth of internal communications about the 
> topic). I read the communications, listened to them, and was happy with 
> my level of involvement as a reader/listener, and I was confident if I 
> became more passionate and wanted to contribute at a deeper level, that 
> the door was open.

Ok, I admit I don't remember seeing those earlier announcements, so I
must have glossed over at the time.  Reading back, those have a feel of
"FYI, we're working hard on this."  Yes, one so motivated could try to
get involved at that point, and perhaps some did.

Perhaps a way this could have felt more open is to shift that from "The
team wasn't preventing input and feedback," to "The team invited input
and feedback."  Not on every little thing, of course, I never meant such
hyperbole.  But those roughly-quarterly announcements may have been a
good time as you show-and-tell to ask "How are we doing?"

>      * The upcoming release won't be the last release. If you have 
> feedback, then visit a session, learn what's going on, and make your 
> feedback known. I have no doubt when the website redesign team is 
> hosting the webinars, that not only will they show the site, talk about 
> the changes and benefits, and answer questions --- but they will also 
> listen and respond to feedback (that comes up in the session and after 
> launch). The first launch is likely not the last!

Point taken, it's never too late.  And yes, after making a fuss, I'll be
sure to attend one of the webinars and offer what feedback I have. :)

I hope it's clear that I'm not dreading the new redhat.com, or even
expecting any problems.  I'm sure that everyone involved has done a fine
job.  It's only a question of whether Red Hat's open spirit has been
fully represented here.


Josh

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from MSFT. Wonder what means for open source...

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On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 15:41 -0400, Ashesh Badani wrote:
> from MSFT. Wonder what means for open source...
> 
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/technology/white-house-picks-new-information-chief.html?_r=1&hpw

If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it means
little for anyone.

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On 08/04/2011 10:41 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> Refer to my signal:noise ratio comment - there comes a point where,
> after seeing a flood of emails, a person starts to tune out and not pay
> attention. And it's _THEN_ that all the openness and transparency fails
> - when those who should be involved stop paying attention.

Interesting... I've been involved with several projects where it seemed 
the more transparent we were, the more we tried to engage associates and 
solicit feedback, our efforts resulted in the opposite. And inevitably, 
at the end came the cries of "why didn't anyone engage us?" and we stood 
around in bewilderment at the nerve of question. The paradox theory you 
suggest provides quite a rational explanation.

Web Redesign has been underway for many years now. In my ~5 years, I'm 
not sure I've seen a project so *thoroughly* documented[1] and 
communicated. I can see where some associates might have begun to tune 
it out at some point. Perhaps we can take some personal accountability 
in that rather than (mis)pointing the finger and ignoring their efforts.

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https://docspace.corp.redhat.com/community/departments/marketing/onlinemarketing/webredesign?view=documents

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----- Original Message -----
> If you can read that -- good for you... and maybe good for me, if the
> grammar is correct.
> 
> There are a few microblogging services in China, but Weibo.com is
> rapidly becoming the popular choice there.
> 
> Obviously we have a twitter presence. Is there any thought to
> syndicating our twitter feed, or having a separate presence on Weibo?
> I haven't found one (yet). There is a "redhat" user already but it
> doesn't seem to be officially affiliated with us.
> 
> http://weibo.com/redhat


There is another user : http://weibo.com/2096587465
It uses the unique nick name -- "红帽软件".

"红帽软件" -> RedHat Software

 
> A few articles about the growth of Weibo.
> 
> http://blogs.forbes.com/kenrapoza/2011/05/17/chinas-weibos-vs-uss-twitter-and-the-winner-is/
> http://asiancorrespondent.com/57429/us-celebs-could-boost-sina-weibos-international-aspirations/
> 
> Seems it might be a good opportunity, especially given the growing
> number of RH colleagues and business in China. Thoughts?

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So I had cause to visit a friends who works from home for Cisco, and I've recently moved to full-time WFH status, and he showed me the kit they get installed.

So he gets a VPN router with wireless and a VOIP phone that piggybacks on his real internet connection, he has full time connection to the cisco network and the wireless is the same as they get access to in the office, along with a wired connection.

Now I know this costs money, but it did seem to me that it would make my life infinitely easier going forward if engineers had something like this. Being able to plug a machine into a router that I can then connect to internal engineering things like CVS and brew rather than having to type the magic number in to my many test machines after every reboot.

I'm just wondering if IT had any interest or plans in rolling something like this out,

On the same note I'm wondering what other engineers with large amounts of at home test machines do within the bounds of IT policy, are we even allowed set a machine up as a router so we can just type the password in once for the home network?

Dave.

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On 08/04/2011 09:55 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:

> If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it means
> little for anyone.

Externally this might be true. But internally this can mean a lot.
Seeing how Microsoft is trying to redefine Open everywhere, this is
definitely something worth keeping an eye on.

Fortunately we have opensourceforamerica.org and a whole team that
closely works with the federal market, so we are in a good position to
watch and interfere when needed.

It is a step backwards IMHO but I am willing to be convinced of the
opposite. It's up to his actions, not his his history.

jan


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On 08/05/2011 12:02 AM, Mike Amburn wrote:

> The paradox theory you suggest provides quite a rational explanation.

The main reason for this paradox is simple and exactly what Darryl said
- signal to noise ratio.

There is no defined way to engage the wider/global community of Red
Hatters. We, those that are interested, have to hunt for bits and pieces
on various non-integrated services:

- Docspace
- Salesforce
- Mailing lists
- Chatter
- IRC
- Internal blog system
- New Intranet
- Word of mouth
- Internal podcasts

There is no one-stop.shopping for this information and there is a
tendency of "keeping it in our circle" which complicates everything.

The net result is twofold:

- On the one hand those that work on stuff are not getting feedback
because their messages get lost/do not reach the recipients

- On the other hand does that *want* to engage feel left out and
complain once it is too late, giving those that work on it the
bewildered sentiment you just described.

It is impossible to subscribe to all mailing lists and read all stuff to
find that one single mail that would raise my interest and have me help.

Executive summary: Our internal feedback cycles are broken - if thex
exist at all. We need to fix that IMHO.

jan

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Dne 5.8.2011 11:10, David Airlie napsal(a):
> On the same note I'm wondering what other engineers with large
> amounts of at home test machines do within the bounds of IT policy,
> are we even allowed set a machine up as a router so we can just type
> the password in once for the home network?

I always believe it to be forbidden under the current policy, and it=20
always seemed to me as one of the most ridiculous parts of our IT policy =

("How to make life our employees as difficult as possible.").

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----- Original Message -----
> On 08/04/2011 09:55 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> 
> > If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it means
> > little for anyone.
> 
> Externally this might be true. But internally this can mean a lot.
> Seeing how Microsoft is trying to redefine Open everywhere, this is
> definitely something worth keeping an eye on.
> 
> Fortunately we have opensourceforamerica.org and a whole team that
> closely works with the federal market, so we are in a good position to
> watch and interfere when needed.
> 
> It is a step backwards IMHO but I am willing to be convinced of the
> opposite. It's up to his actions, not his his history.
> 

I suspect such a history is no predictor of the future. It's one place I
think we (as employees of Red Hat) fail to understand how people work.

If you work for Microsoft, as a person you probably don't dislike open
source. I know plenty of folks in this very position. The difference is
Microsoft is basically paying you to dislike open source. It's an instance
where you're expected to fall into the company mindset since they pay your
bills.

At Red Hat, many of us are here because of open source. We're not paid to
like open source, we're paid BECAUSE we like open source.

-- 
    JB

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On 08/05/2011 05:10 AM, David Airlie wrote:
> So I had cause to visit a friends who works from home for Cisco, and I've recently moved to full-time WFH status, and he showed me the kit they get installed.
>
> So he gets a VPN router with wireless and a VOIP phone that piggybacks on his real internet connection, he has full time connection to the cisco network and the wireless is the same as they get access to in the office, along with a wired connection.
>
> Now I know this costs money, but it did seem to me that it would make my life infinitely easier going forward if engineers had something like this. Being able to plug a machine into a router that I can then connect to internal engineering things like CVS and brew rather than having to type the magic number in to my many test machines after every reboot.

Actually it is trivially easy and cheap to implement.  You might be able to do it with the routers you already own.  However, it is a violation of corporate policy to connect to VPN though a router, or any device configured to act as a gateway.   The reason why of course, is if someone hacks into your network, they have gained full access to Red Hat's network, and you might not even be around to notice the problem and shut things down.   Unless you are going to employ all the same security measures used to physically protect Red Hat facilities, you are creating a new security problem.  e.g. Why would someone break into corporate headquarters to plugin to a LAN line, if they can break into your home instead?

Presumably though, we could make this more secure by having some sort of deadman's switch.   e.g. Some challenge your router issues periodically that if not responded to results in disconnecting from the network.   However, you would also need to make sure each of the machines on your network is securely authenticated with the router to be really safe.

Bill

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On 08/05/2011 05:34 AM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> On 08/05/2011 12:02 AM, Mike Amburn wrote:
>
>> The paradox theory you suggest provides quite a rational explanation.
>
> The main reason for this paradox is simple and exactly what Darryl said
> - signal to noise ratio.
>
> There is no defined way to engage the wider/global community of Red
> Hatters. We, those that are interested, have to hunt for bits and pieces
> on various non-integrated services:
>
> - Docspace
> - Salesforce
> - Mailing lists
> - Chatter
> - IRC
> - Internal blog system
> - New Intranet
> - Word of mouth
> - Internal podcasts
>
> There is no one-stop.shopping for this information and there is a
> tendency of "keeping it in our circle" which complicates everything.
>
> The net result is twofold:
>
> - On the one hand those that work on stuff are not getting feedback
> because their messages get lost/do not reach the recipients
>
> - On the other hand does that *want* to engage feel left out and
> complain once it is too late, giving those that work on it the
> bewildered sentiment you just described.
>
> It is impossible to subscribe to all mailing lists and read all stuff to
> find that one single mail that would raise my interest and have me help.
>
> Executive summary: Our internal feedback cycles are broken - if thex
> exist at all. We need to fix that IMHO.

I agree, Jan.  This is why I shun mail lists; they tend to be either a) 
exclusive but quiet enough not to bother anyone or b) very inclusive but 
overly noisy leading to the s:n problem.

I continue to believe the "space" approach is the right one, from a 
tooling perspective.  Not SBS specifically, but their implementation is 
actually pretty good.  You can be notified of a project space via some 
wide notification scheme (memo-list, etc) and then those interested 
parties can then go "join" or "follow" the space which gives them easy 
access to existing/past assets/collateral as well as a method to 
collaborate going forward.

Joining a mail list invites people to sit back and wait for a message to 
land.  Joining an online space/community invites browsing and collaboration.

-CB

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I see.  So instead of having to break just my WPA2(AES) encryption, they
have to both break WPA2(AES) AND hack into my work laptop to get full
access to the corporate network.

On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 09:24 -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> On 08/05/2011 05:10 AM, David Airlie wrote:
> > So I had cause to visit a friends who works from home for Cisco, and I've recently moved to full-time WFH status, and he showed me the kit they get installed.
> >
> > So he gets a VPN router with wireless and a VOIP phone that piggybacks on his real internet connection, he has full time connection to the cisco network and the wireless is the same as they get access to in the office, along with a wired connection.
> >
> > Now I know this costs money, but it did seem to me that it would make my life infinitely easier going forward if engineers had something like this. Being able to plug a machine into a router that I can then connect to internal engineering things like CVS and brew rather than having to type the magic number in to my many test machines after every reboot.
> 
> Actually it is trivially easy and cheap to implement.  You might be able to do it with the routers you already own.  However, it is a violation of corporate policy to connect to VPN though a router, or any device configured to act as a gateway.   The reason why of course, is if someone hacks into your network, they have gained full access to Red Hat's network, and you might not even be around to notice the problem and shut things down.   Unless you are going to employ all the same security measures used to physically protect Red Hat facilities, you are creating a new security problem.  e.g. Why would someone break into corporate headquarters to plugin to a LAN line, if they can break into your home instead?
> 
> Presumably though, we could make this more secure by having some sort of deadman's switch.   e.g. Some challenge your router issues periodically that if not responded to results in disconnecting from the network.   However, you would also need to make sure each of the machines on your network is securely authenticated with the router to be really safe.
> 
> Bill
> 
> _______________________________________________
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No with the router solution, they just need to break a window.

Once they have physical access, they can use their own computer to connect to your router.

The point behind the current Red Hat security measures is security wants all access to based on both something you have, and something you know.  About the only time that is not the case is when you are on-site at a Red Hat facility.   e.g. If someone where to steal a Red Hat badge, they could just walk right into corporate head quarters and plug in there computer into any LAN port in the building.   I would not be surprised if this actually happens occasionally.  Which is of course why you should never where your badge outside the office...

Bill

On 08/05/2011 09:45 AM, Doug Grove wrote:
> I see.  So instead of having to break just my WPA2(AES) encryption, they
> have to both break WPA2(AES) AND hack into my work laptop to get full
> access to the corporate network.
>
> On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 09:24 -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
>> On 08/05/2011 05:10 AM, David Airlie wrote:
>>> So I had cause to visit a friends who works from home for Cisco, and I've recently moved to full-time WFH status, and he showed me the kit they get installed.
>>>
>>> So he gets a VPN router with wireless and a VOIP phone that piggybacks on his real internet connection, he has full time connection to the cisco network and the wireless is the same as they get access to in the office, along with a wired connection.
>>>
>>> Now I know this costs money, but it did seem to me that it would make my life infinitely easier going forward if engineers had something like this. Being able to plug a machine into a router that I can then connect to internal engineering things like CVS and brew rather than having to type the magic number in to my many test machines after every reboot.
>> Actually it is trivially easy and cheap to implement.  You might be able to do it with the routers you already own.  However, it is a violation of corporate policy to connect to VPN though a router, or any device configured to act as a gateway.   The reason why of course, is if someone hacks into your network, they have gained full access to Red Hat's network, and you might not even be around to notice the problem and shut things down.   Unless you are going to employ all the same security measures used to physically protect Red Hat facilities, you are creating a new security problem.  e.g. Why would someone break into corporate headquarters to plugin to a LAN line, if they can break into your home instead?
>>
>> Presumably though, we could make this more secure by having some sort of deadman's switch.   e.g. Some challenge your router issues periodically that if not responded to results in disconnecting from the network.   However, you would also need to make sure each of the machines on your network is securely authenticated with the router to be really safe.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Memo-list mailing list
>> Memo-list@redhat.com
>> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/memo-list
>
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On 08/05/2011 09:58 AM, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> No with the router solution, they just need to break a window.
>
> Once they have physical access, they can use their own computer to connect to your router.
>
> The point behind the current Red Hat security measures is security wants all access to based on both something you have, and something you know.  About the only time that is not the case is when you are on-site at a Red Hat facility.   e.g. If someone where to steal a Red Hat badge, they could just walk right into corporate head quarters and plug in there computer into any LAN port in the building.   I would not be surprised if this actually happens occasionally.  Which is of course why you should never where your badge outside the office...
>
> Bill
where => wear

>
> On 08/05/2011 09:45 AM, Doug Grove wrote:
>> I see.  So instead of having to break just my WPA2(AES) encryption, they
>> have to both break WPA2(AES) AND hack into my work laptop to get full
>> access to the corporate network.
>>
>> On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 09:24 -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2011 05:10 AM, David Airlie wrote:
>>>> So I had cause to visit a friends who works from home for Cisco, and I've recently moved to full-time WFH status, and he showed me the kit they get installed.
>>>>
>>>> So he gets a VPN router with wireless and a VOIP phone that piggybacks on his real internet connection, he has full time connection to the cisco network and the wireless is the same as they get access to in the office, along with a wired connection.
>>>>
>>>> Now I know this costs money, but it did seem to me that it would make my life infinitely easier going forward if engineers had something like this. Being able to plug a machine into a router that I can then connect to internal engineering things like CVS and brew rather than having to type the magic number in to my many test machines after every reboot.
>>> Actually it is trivially easy and cheap to implement.  You might be able to do it with the routers you already own.  However, it is a violation of corporate policy to connect to VPN though a router, or any device configured to act as a gateway.   The reason why of course, is if someone hacks into your network, they have gained full access to Red Hat's network, and you might not even be around to notice the problem and shut things down.   Unless you are going to employ all the same security measures used to physically protect Red Hat facilities, you are creating a new security problem.  e.g. Why would someone break into corporate headquarters to plugin to a LAN line, if they can break into your home instead?
>>>
>>> Presumably though, we could make this more secure by having some sort of deadman's switch.   e.g. Some challenge your router issues periodically that if not responded to results in disconnecting from the network.   However, you would also need to make sure each of the machines on your network is securely authenticated with the router to be really safe.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Memo-list@redhat.com
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> 
> Once they have physical access, they can use their own computer to
> connect to your router.
> 
> The point behind the current Red Hat security measures is security
> wants all access to based on both something you have, and something
> you know. About the only time that is not the case is when you are
> on-site at a Red Hat facility. e.g. If someone where to steal a Red
> Hat badge, they could just walk right into corporate head quarters and
> plug in there computer into any LAN port in the building. I would not
> be surprised if this actually happens occasionally. Which is of course
> why you should never where your badge outside the office...

And here's the thing, Cisco do this already, they are a much larger company with I expect much more to lose by people breaking into their employees houses, the thing is you wouldn't give this sort of thing to a person who works from home for a day a week, its more for the people who have a lot of development equipment etc. These people you'd also hope would secure their home so all their development equipment isn't stolen to cover up the fact that someone just hacked into our network. Like I'm also sure these people end up having unencrypted company private info on these machines like customer bugs, pre-release kernels, NDA documents etc.

So I suppose I'm asking is why does a company like Cisco not seem to care as much?

Dave.

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On 08/05/2011 09:58 AM, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> No with the router solution, they just need to break a window.
>
> Once they have physical access, they can use their own computer to
> connect to your router.
>
> The point behind the current Red Hat security measures is security wants
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> About the only time that is not the case is when you are on-site at a
> Red Hat facility. e.g. If someone where to steal a Red Hat badge, they
> could just walk right into corporate head quarters and plug in there
> computer into any LAN port in the building. I would not be surprised if
> this actually happens occasionally. Which is of course why you should
> never wear your badge outside the office...
>

Which is why Loreen and I were rather surprised by the seemingly 
cavalier attitude when she inquired where the replacement badge was that 
she had ordered for me; it had been shipped, but never arrived here in 
Westford.

(Fortunately I had already found my original badge, as is usually the 
case, in the the last place I looked.)

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I can confirm I have in my friends the equivalent of GPS for microsoft
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On 08/05/2011 01:25 PM, Josh Bressers wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 08/04/2011 09:55 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
>> 
>>> If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it
>>> means little for anyone.
>> 
>> Externally this might be true. But internally this can mean a lot. 
>> Seeing how Microsoft is trying to redefine Open everywhere, this
>> is definitely something worth keeping an eye on.
>> 
>> Fortunately we have opensourceforamerica.org and a whole team that 
>> closely works with the federal market, so we are in a good position
>> to watch and interfere when needed.
>> 
>> It is a step backwards IMHO but I am willing to be convinced of
>> the opposite. It's up to his actions, not his his history.
>> 
> 
> I suspect such a history is no predictor of the future. It's one
> place I think we (as employees of Red Hat) fail to understand how
> people work.
> 
> If you work for Microsoft, as a person you probably don't dislike
> open source. I know plenty of folks in this very position. The
> difference is Microsoft is basically paying you to dislike open
> source. It's an instance where you're expected to fall into the
> company mindset since they pay your bills.
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On 08/05/2011 11:58 PM, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> No with the router solution, they just need to break a window.
>
> Once they have physical access, they can use their own computer to
> connect to your router.
>
> The point behind the current Red Hat security measures is security wants
> all access to based on both something you have, and something you know.
> About the only time that is not the case is when you are on-site at a
> Red Hat facility. e.g. If someone where to steal a Red Hat badge, they
> could just walk right into corporate head quarters and plug in there
> computer into any LAN port in the building. I would not be surprised if
> this actually happens occasionally. Which is of course why you should
> never where your badge outside the office...
>
> Bill

I don't even wear my badge exposed when _in_ the office, much less 
outside, and I'm surprised at the number of people who do. There are 
also those who wear both their badge and their RSA Token attached to one 
of those neck straps, in plain view, in and out of the office. Not what 
I'd call security conscious.

David

>
> On 08/05/2011 09:45 AM, Doug Grove wrote:
>> I see. So instead of having to break just my WPA2(AES) encryption, they
>> have to both break WPA2(AES) AND hack into my work laptop to get full
>> access to the corporate network.
>>
>> On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 09:24 -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
>>> On 08/05/2011 05:10 AM, David Airlie wrote:
>>>> So I had cause to visit a friends who works from home for Cisco, and
>>>> I've recently moved to full-time WFH status, and he showed me the
>>>> kit they get installed.
>>>>
>>>> So he gets a VPN router with wireless and a VOIP phone that
>>>> piggybacks on his real internet connection, he has full time
>>>> connection to the cisco network and the wireless is the same as they
>>>> get access to in the office, along with a wired connection.
>>>>
>>>> Now I know this costs money, but it did seem to me that it would
>>>> make my life infinitely easier going forward if engineers had
>>>> something like this. Being able to plug a machine into a router that
>>>> I can then connect to internal engineering things like CVS and brew
>>>> rather than having to type the magic number in to my many test
>>>> machines after every reboot.
>>> Actually it is trivially easy and cheap to implement. You might be
>>> able to do it with the routers you already own. However, it is a
>>> violation of corporate policy to connect to VPN though a router, or
>>> any device configured to act as a gateway. The reason why of course,
>>> is if someone hacks into your network, they have gained full access
>>> to Red Hat's network, and you might not even be around to notice the
>>> problem and shut things down. Unless you are going to employ all the
>>> same security measures used to physically protect Red Hat facilities,
>>> you are creating a new security problem. e.g. Why would someone break
>>> into corporate headquarters to plugin to a LAN line, if they can
>>> break into your home instead?
>>>
>>> Presumably though, we could make this more secure by having some sort
>>> of deadman's switch. e.g. Some challenge your router issues
>>> periodically that if not responded to results in disconnecting from
>>> the network. However, you would also need to make sure each of the
>>> machines on your network is securely authenticated with the router to
>>> be really safe.
>>>
>>> Bill
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On 08/05/2011 10:48 AM, David O'Brien wrote:
> On 08/05/2011 11:58 PM, Bill C Riemers wrote:
>> No with the router solution, they just need to break a window.
>>
>> Once they have physical access, they can use their own computer to
>> connect to your router.
>>
>> The point behind the current Red Hat security measures is security wants
>> all access to based on both something you have, and something you know.
>> About the only time that is not the case is when you are on-site at a
>> Red Hat facility. e.g. If someone where to steal a Red Hat badge, they
>> could just walk right into corporate head quarters and plug in there
>> computer into any LAN port in the building. I would not be surprised if
>> this actually happens occasionally. Which is of course why you should
>> never where your badge outside the office...
>>
>> Bill
>
> I don't even wear my badge exposed when _in_ the office, much less outside, and I'm surprised at the number of people who do. There are also those who wear both their badge and their RSA Token attached to one of those neck straps, in plain view, in and out of the office. Not what I'd call security conscious.
>
> David

A very simple precaution that would dramatically increase the level of security would be to have a numeric keypad to enter a pin when entering the building.  So you would need both the access card, and the pin.   We could also give people 911 type pin code to tell people if they are under threat.  Something that would open the doors, but also silently alert the security &/or the police.   After all with Red Hat becoming a billion dollar a year revenue company, there may be people who would use force.  Lets face, even a minor threat of violence to myself or my family and I'm handing over my token, my id badge, pin, and every password I know.

Bill

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On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 12:48:14AM +1000, David O'Brien wrote:
> I don't even wear my badge exposed when _in_ the office

You should keep your badge visible while in the building so that others
know you're a proper employee and not just someone roaming the building
(which has happened a time or two in my time here at Red Hat). If you
see someone you don't know and who doesn't have a visible badge, you
should be concerned.

Outside of the office is a different story. When I worked for another
company, our access cards did not mention the company's name at all on
it. This was to prevent a lost card from being used to enter the
building since the finder would have no idea who it was for.

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I'm still a cynic, but Microsoft was making all kinds of sweet sounds about open source at OSCON this year, mostly for recruiting purposes. The keynote speaker made an almost convincing case that it's a surprisingly "fun" place to work if you're into open source. He certainly believed it.

Beyond recruiting, it looks like their general strategy is to blur the lines between open source and "commercial" (they won't call it "proprietary") software. The speaker talked about growth and wisdom leading them to be more open about open source.

I found the whole spiel pretty interesting.

At any rate, they weren't calling it cancer.

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I can confirm I have in my friends the equivalent of GPS for microsoft
and I can say he and I are good friends :) he does like opensource, I
can confirm microsoft does not pay to hate opensource :)

On 08/05/2011 01:25 PM, Josh Bressers wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 08/04/2011 09:55 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
>> 
>>> If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it
>>> means little for anyone.
>> 
>> Externally this might be true. But internally this can mean a lot. 
>> Seeing how Microsoft is trying to redefine Open everywhere, this
>> is definitely something worth keeping an eye on.
>> 
>> Fortunately we have opensourceforamerica.org and a whole team that 
>> closely works with the federal market, so we are in a good position
>> to watch and interfere when needed.
>> 
>> It is a step backwards IMHO but I am willing to be convinced of
>> the opposite. It's up to his actions, not his his history.
>> 
> 
> I suspect such a history is no predictor of the future. It's one
> place I think we (as employees of Red Hat) fail to understand how
> people work.
> 
> If you work for Microsoft, as a person you probably don't dislike
> open source. I know plenty of folks in this very position. The
> difference is Microsoft is basically paying you to dislike open
> source. It's an instance where you're expected to fall into the
> company mindset since they pay your bills.
> 
> At Red Hat, many of us are here because of open source. We're not
> paid to like open source, we're paid BECAUSE we like open source.
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hi David- I know of the setup you refer to pretty well- they have quite an infrastructure built out to enable it (referred to as Enterprise Class Teleworker). It's not cheap- built upon Cisco hw, naturally, but it's pretty slick. When they rolled it out ~5-6 yrs ago, it was conceptually different and it was a hit internally; they sold it to alot of companies too- they could get corp wireless, an always-on vpn connection (DMVPN) and corp phone. Again, it wasn't cheap. 

But these days, most of us have home wireless systems and alot of us use our own VOIP or cell capabilities; also, our VPN infra is quite solid. We, in IT, do see a potential oppty to improve the corp phone at home capability- esp for those who work the majority of time from home. This capability is in testing right now w/ about 50 internal users. If the pilot proves successful, we'll consider an internal corp rollout later this year. This solution won't address the complexity issue you raise in accessing multiple systems but if this becomes a reqt you can help champion, give me a shout. 

-c 

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So I had cause to visit a friends who works from home for Cisco, and I've recently moved to full-time WFH status, and he showed me the kit they get installed. 

So he gets a VPN router with wireless and a VOIP phone that piggybacks on his real internet connection, he has full time connection to the cisco network and the wireless is the same as they get access to in the office, along with a wired connection. 

Now I know this costs money, but it did seem to me that it would make my life infinitely easier going forward if engineers had something like this. Being able to plug a machine into a router that I can then connect to internal engineering things like CVS and brew rather than having to type the magic number in to my many test machines after every reboot. 

I'm just wondering if IT had any interest or plans in rolling something like this out, 

On the same note I'm wondering what other engineers with large amounts of at home test machines do within the bounds of IT policy, are we even allowed set a machine up as a router so we can just type the password in once for the home network? 

Dave. 

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On 08/06/2011 01:08 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 12:48:14AM +1000, David O'Brien wrote:
>> I don't even wear my badge exposed when _in_ the office
>
> You should keep your badge visible while in the building so that others
> know you're a proper employee and not just someone roaming the building
> (which has happened a time or two in my time here at Red Hat). If you
> see someone you don't know and who doesn't have a visible badge, you
> should be concerned.

I'm not about to argue policy (I'm not familiar enough - maybe I should 
be), but I've always got my badge, etc., _with_ me, just not hanging 
around my neck or on one of those retractable gadgets.
People can get into our building during office hours, and get off at our 
floor, but can't get any further without a Red Hat access card (unless 
someone purposely leaves the door open, but that's just silly).
>
> Outside of the office is a different story. When I worked for another
> company, our access cards did not mention the company's name at all on
> it. This was to prevent a lost card from being used to enter the
> building since the finder would have no idea who it was for.
>

I keep all three together: name badge, building access card, and Red Hat 
access card (we only occupy some of the floors in our building). Maybe 
we should invest in some hand scanners.

And wrt threats? Yes, I too would be handing over various pins, etc., to 
protect family. It doesn't take long to get pins cancelled and passwords 
changed; I'm not so confident about my abilities at resurrection.
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http://www.ksplice.com/why

This link answered my question about kernel updates.

Never rebooting after multiple kernel updates seems a bit risky.  
Meaning I would think you would always want to test a kernel update with 
a reboot.


On 08/04/2011 01:52 PM, Dan Pacek wrote:
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> Oracle will definitely be touting it as a feature that
> OL (Oracle linux there is no more OEL) has that RHEL doesn't
>
> It is unclear as to how wide spread Ksplice adoption is
> amongst our customers.
>
> It's also not clear if adoption of the "patching in production"
> concept is a generally accepted best practice the data center.
>
> We'll certainly be tracking customer interest on this.
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> Alfredo Moralejo wrote:
>> Could this cause us problems in OEL vs RHEL discussions?
>>
>> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/435791
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>From what I have learned about ksplice, the problems that could come with it including the security implications of allowing this kind of injecting into object code scare me. Not to mention, speaking as a frontline tech, trying to support this would be a nightmare. Imagine your customer running into a critical bug from a patch that you have no way of knowing is there.

There would probably be a better solution for on the fly updates for us, one that fits within our work as a support organization. As far as I'm concerned, Oracle can have ksplice and their techs are free to deal with it :)

Matt Rogers
GSS

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:29:24 AM
Subject: Re: Oracle buys ksplice

http://www.ksplice.com/why

This link answered my question about kernel updates.

Never rebooting after multiple kernel updates seems a bit risky.  
Meaning I would think you would always want to test a kernel update with 
a reboot.


On 08/04/2011 01:52 PM, Dan Pacek wrote:
>
> Oracle will definitely be touting it as a feature that
> OL (Oracle linux there is no more OEL) has that RHEL doesn't
>
> It is unclear as to how wide spread Ksplice adoption is
> amongst our customers.
>
> It's also not clear if adoption of the "patching in production"
> concept is a generally accepted best practice the data center.
>
> We'll certainly be tracking customer interest on this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alfredo Moralejo wrote:
>> Could this cause us problems in OEL vs RHEL discussions?
>>
>> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/435791
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Alfredo
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Patches with Ksplice are not "injected" like some malicious virus. They are simply loadable modules that replace affected kernel functions wholesale at a safe point in time. The technology is actually pretty mature.

There are reasons not to do Ksplice (none of which should be discussed here) but let's not put down the basic concept.

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>From what I have learned about ksplice, the problems that could come with it including the security implications of allowing this kind of injecting into object code scare me. Not to mention, speaking as a frontline tech, trying to support this would be a nightmare. Imagine your customer running into a critical bug from a patch that you have no way of knowing is there.

There would probably be a better solution for on the fly updates for us, one that fits within our work as a support organization. As far as I'm concerned, Oracle can have ksplice and their techs are free to deal with it :)

Matt Rogers
GSS

----- Original Message -----
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To: memo-list@redhat.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 11:29:24 AM
Subject: Re: Oracle buys ksplice

http://www.ksplice.com/why

This link answered my question about kernel updates.

Never rebooting after multiple kernel updates seems a bit risky.  
Meaning I would think you would always want to test a kernel update with 
a reboot.


On 08/04/2011 01:52 PM, Dan Pacek wrote:
>
> Oracle will definitely be touting it as a feature that
> OL (Oracle linux there is no more OEL) has that RHEL doesn't
>
> It is unclear as to how wide spread Ksplice adoption is
> amongst our customers.
>
> It's also not clear if adoption of the "patching in production"
> concept is a generally accepted best practice the data center.
>
> We'll certainly be tracking customer interest on this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alfredo Moralejo wrote:
>> Could this cause us problems in OEL vs RHEL discussions?
>>
>> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/435791
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Alfredo
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Excerpts from Simo Sorce's message of Thu Aug 04 15:55:38 -0400 2011:
> On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 15:41 -0400, Ashesh Badani wrote:
> > from MSFT. Wonder what means for open source...
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/technology/white-house-picks-new-information-chief.html?_r=1&hpw
> 
> If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it means
> little for anyone.

Vivek had a lot of potential and momentum when he was first appointed.
I saw him speak at the Personal Democracy Forum, and he had some very
ambitious plans, and already had created a few impressive projects:
data.gov, itdashboard.gov, apps.gov, etc.

Sadly, funding for the these transparency initiatives were cut from $35m
to $8m in the 11th hour deal struck between House Republicans and the
Obama administration to keep the government running through the
remainder of the 2011 fiscal year[0]. This apparently killed his
momentum.

When this news first broke, there was fear that these sites would
disappear, so I worked with some students and faculty at RIT to build a
complete 5TB mirror of data.gov, which we are now data-mining :)

luke

[0]: http://www.govexec.com/pdfs/052411jm1.pdf

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On Fri, Aug 05 2011 at 12:24pm -0400,
Jonathan Masters <jcm@redhat.com> wrote:

> Patches with Ksplice are not "injected" like some malicious
> virus. They are simply loadable modules that replace affected kernel
> functions wholesale at a safe point in time. The technology is
> actually pretty mature. 
> 
> There are reasons not to do Ksplice (none of which should be discussed
> here) but let's not put down the basic concept.

Most of your mails take the form: I know something, but let there be
silence for this is not a trusted channel.

Very odd.  You clearly have your reasons but it comes off as "hush,
there are thinkers at work building the future Red Hat.. don't worry
your pretty little head".

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On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
Matt Rogers <mrogers@redhat.com> wrote:

> >From what I have learned about ksplice, the problems that could come
> >with it including the security implications of allowing this kind of
> >injecting into object code scare me. Not to mention, speaking as a
> >frontline tech, trying to support this would be a nightmare. Imagine
> >your customer running into a critical bug from a patch that you have
> >no way of knowing is there.
> 
> There would probably be a better solution for on the fly updates for
> us, one that fits within our work as a support organization. As far
> as I'm concerned, Oracle can have ksplice and their techs are free to
> deal with it :)

The big fear isn't the fact they have something we don't want to
support. But they have a technology customers may want that we don't
have. The more they diverge from our offerings and add things above and
beyond what we ship and support, the more they can erode our customer
base.

Now, what'll happen if oracle pulls the majority of our customers, and
leaves us with an unsustainable income to support the customers that
are still with us? I hope we can stop it before it happens. Is that
oracle's endgame? It sure looks like it to me.

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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 12:00:45PM -0400, Matt Rogers wrote:
> >From what I have learned about ksplice, the problems that could come with it including the security implications of allowing this kind of injecting into object code scare me. Not to mention, speaking as a frontline tech, trying to support this would be a nightmare. Imagine your customer running into a critical bug from a patch that you have no way of knowing is there.

This is one of the reasons why the kernel team rejected this feature when
the ksplice guys presented to us last year.  We have enough problems with
recompiled kernels and third party modules, dyanmically patched code
scared us too.

Ksplice is a cool idea no doubt, but as a large responsible company
supporting it is difficult.  The ksplice'd kernel doesn't look like the one
that is compiled and released by us.  Which means reproducing an issue is
hard.  Distinguishing the issue from a ksplice bug/flaw is even harder.

Cheers,
Don

> 
> There would probably be a better solution for on the fly updates for us, one that fits within our work as a support organization. As far as I'm concerned, Oracle can have ksplice and their techs are free to deal with it :)
> 
> Matt Rogers
> GSS
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Subject: Re: Oracle buys ksplice
> 
> http://www.ksplice.com/why
> 
> This link answered my question about kernel updates.
> 
> Never rebooting after multiple kernel updates seems a bit risky.  
> Meaning I would think you would always want to test a kernel update with 
> a reboot.
> 
> 
> On 08/04/2011 01:52 PM, Dan Pacek wrote:
> >
> > Oracle will definitely be touting it as a feature that
> > OL (Oracle linux there is no more OEL) has that RHEL doesn't
> >
> > It is unclear as to how wide spread Ksplice adoption is
> > amongst our customers.
> >
> > It's also not clear if adoption of the "patching in production"
> > concept is a generally accepted best practice the data center.
> >
> > We'll certainly be tracking customer interest on this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Alfredo Moralejo wrote:
> >> Could this cause us problems in OEL vs RHEL discussions?
> >>
> >> http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/435791
> >>
> >> Best regards,
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On 8/5/2011 1:22 PM, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 05 2011 at 12:24pm -0400,
> Jonathan Masters <jcm@redhat.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Patches with Ksplice are not "injected" like some malicious
>> virus. They are simply loadable modules that replace affected kernel
>> functions wholesale at a safe point in time. The technology is
>> actually pretty mature.=20
>>
>> There are reasons not to do Ksplice (none of which should be discussed=

>> here) but let's not put down the basic concept.
>=20
> Most of your mails take the form: I know something, but let there be
> silence for this is not a trusted channel.
>=20
> Very odd.  You clearly have your reasons but it comes off as "hush,
> there are thinkers at work building the future Red Hat.. don't worry
> your pretty little head".

I don't think Jon intended it to come off that way at all.  I took it as
there are technical issues why it shouldn't be used and this isn't an
appropriate list for drawn out technical discussions (which is correct).
 Aka, he was trying to follow the posting guidelines for memo-list,
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On 08/05/11 19:58, Don Zickus wrote:
> The ksplice'd kernel doesn't look like the one
> that is compiled and released by us.  Which means reproducing an issue is
> hard.

Perhaps it's an invalid concern, but I immediately thought of being 
unable to addr2line a customer-supplied stackdump with a 
kernel(-xen)-debuginfo package that *I* can access. (Or to look at their 
core with "crash".)

If they rebuilt the full kernel, perhaps I could ask for their debug 
symbols, but after several layers of hot-patching, I doubt they could 
offer anything like that.

lacos

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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 08:22:24PM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
> On 08/05/11 19:58, Don Zickus wrote:
> >The ksplice'd kernel doesn't look like the one
> >that is compiled and released by us.  Which means reproducing an issue is
> >hard.
> 
> Perhaps it's an invalid concern, but I immediately thought of being
> unable to addr2line a customer-supplied stackdump with a
> kernel(-xen)-debuginfo package that *I* can access. (Or to look at
> their core with "crash".)

Yeah, I forgot about that problem too.  I think we had issues about how
normal debugging techniques would now work.

> 
> If they rebuilt the full kernel, perhaps I could ask for their debug
> symbols, but after several layers of hot-patching, I doubt they
> could offer anything like that.

They used kernel modules for each patch.  Maybe using those kernel symbols
might help narrow down the problem.

Regardless, the only real scenario we envisioned that this could be useful
is for customers who couldn't wait a few days or a couple of weeks to
reboot a security fix kernel.  But then the idea was they could 'limp'
along with a ksplice'd fix until they could reboot with the properly
supported kernel within a short timeframe (again a couple of weeks or so).

Anything longer than that ran the risk of being unsupportable because we
would have no idea how they patched or how many times they patched the
kernel.

Cheers,
Don

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On Fri, 2011-08-05 at 11:13 -0400, Craig Williams wrote:
> But these days, most of us have home wireless systems and alot of us
> use our own VOIP or cell capabilities; also, our VPN infra is quite
> solid.  We, in IT, do see a potential oppty to improve the corp phone
> at home capability- esp for those who work the majority of time from
> home.  This capability is in testing right now w/ about 50 internal
> users.  If the pilot proves successful, we'll consider an internal
> corp rollout later this year.

This would indeed be good to have. Is there further information
available?
(I work completely from home, as do most people in my team. I also have
to attend regular conference calls with external parties, so not having
to use my home phone for these hour-long long-distance calls would be
good.)

Torvald

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On 08/05/2011 07:34 PM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> We, those that are interested, have to hunt for bits and pieces
> on various non-integrated services:
>
> - Docspace
> - Salesforce
> - Mailing lists
> - Chatter
> - IRC
> - Internal blog system
> - New Intranet
> - Word of mouth
> - Internal podcasts
>
> There is no one-stop.shopping for this information and there is a
> tendency of "keeping it in our circle" which complicates everything.

As a Red Hat noob, I'll note that this problem extends beyond feedback 
cycles to it being somewhat challenging to find internal policy 
information as well. The internal search engine doesn't help all that 
much since:
1. It isn't clear which information sources it covers and which it 
leaves out (e.g. whether or not Kerberos protected pages are included in 
the results)
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relating to the development, documentation and sale of that product.

Still, just having something like memo-list as a last resort option 
already puts Red Hat a cut above most other organisations its size.

Cheers,
Nick.

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On 08/05/2011 09:24 AM, Bill C Riemers wrote:

> Actually it is trivially easy and cheap to implement. You might be able
> to do it with the routers you already own. However, it is a violation of
> corporate policy to connect to VPN though a router, or any device
> configured to act as a gateway. The reason why of course, is if someone
> hacks into your network, they have gained full access to Red Hat's
> network,

That depends on how things are set up.

I do run openvpn on my firewall here, but I also firewall
the systems on my own LAN off from Red Hat's internal
network, with the exception of required services.

Only one or two IP addresses on my LAN have nearly unrestricted
TCP access to Red Hat's internal network.  UDP is firewalled,
with the exception of kerberos auth and DNS (from my DNS servers
only) and a few systems get http access (for yum repositories).

This is better than running openvpn directly on my workstation,
because my workstation also runs a bunch of virtual machines
and firewalling doesn't seem to work too great together with
ethernet bridging...

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On 04/08/11 21:55, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 15:41 -0400, Ashesh Badani wrote:
>> from MSFT. Wonder what means for open source...
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/technology/white-house-picks-new-information-chief.html?_r=1&hpw
> 
> If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it means
> little for anyone.


I hope you're right.  Another similar recent story is Nokia and Stephen
Elop.  Ex-Microsoft manager who managed to move Nokia away from MeeGo and
Symbian to a Microsoft platform.  The future for MeeGo and Nokia is at the
very best very unclear, as many see the N9 and N950 releases as a
distraction rather than a focus point.

I'd say there are reasons why to be concerned.


David S.

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On 08/05/2011 08:49 PM, Don Zickus wrote:

> Regardless, the only real scenario we envisioned that this could be useful
> is for customers who couldn't wait a few days or a couple of weeks to
> reboot a security fix kernel.  But then the idea was they could 'limp'
> along with a ksplice'd fix until they could reboot with the properly
> supported kernel within a short timeframe (again a couple of weeks or so).

Think RHEV-H for a perfectly valid and extremely risky candidate ;-)

The more hypervisors run on Linux+KVM the more often we will see the
need for a ksplice-like approach ...

Jan


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On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 10:18:01AM -0400, David Airlie wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Once they have physical access, they can use their own computer to
> > connect to your router.
> > 
> > The point behind the current Red Hat security measures is security
> > wants all access to based on both something you have, and something
> > you know. About the only time that is not the case is when you are
> > on-site at a Red Hat facility. e.g. If someone where to steal a Red
> > Hat badge, they could just walk right into corporate head quarters and
> > plug in there computer into any LAN port in the building. I would not
> > be surprised if this actually happens occasionally. Which is of course
> > why you should never where your badge outside the office...
> 
> And here's the thing, Cisco do this already, they are a much larger
> company with I expect much more to lose by people breaking into
> their employees houses, the thing is you wouldn't give this sort of
> thing to a person who works from home for a day a week, its more for
> the people who have a lot of development equipment etc. These people
> you'd also hope would secure their home so all their development
> equipment isn't stolen to cover up the fact that someone just hacked
> into our network. Like I'm also sure these people end up having
> unencrypted company private info on these machines like customer
> bugs, pre-release kernels, NDA documents etc.
> 
> So I suppose I'm asking is why does a company like Cisco not seem to
> care as much?

 IMHO in well designed secure environment arbitrary access to the
 private network does not mean access to security sensitive
 information. All sensitive information or services should be always
 protected by an extra authentication step. This is reason why we have
 kerberos, fedora account, etc. You have to think about VPN as about
 very basic protection -- if VPN plays a key role in your security
 then you have no security :-)

    Karel

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On 08/06/2011 01:41 AM, Torvald Riegel wrote:
> (I work completely from home, as do most people in my team. I also have
> to attend regular conference calls with external parties, so not having
> to use my home phone for these hour-long long-distance calls would be
> good.)

FYI you can apply for additional voip account and use soft-phone (or 
even some kind of USB-phone if that works for you). I am happy with 
Twinkle software phone and ordinary headset. Sounds even better than 
Cisco, but VPN required.

https://home.corp.redhat.com/wiki/help-desk-voip-extension-request-form

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On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 10:45 +0200, David Sommerseth wrote:
> On 04/08/11 21:55, Simo Sorce wrote:
> > On Thu, 2011-08-04 at 15:41 -0400, Ashesh Badani wrote:
> >> from MSFT. Wonder what means for open source...
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/technology/white-house-picks-new-information-chief.html?_r=1&hpw
> > 
> > If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it means
> > little for anyone.
> 
> 
> I hope you're right.  Another similar recent story is Nokia and Stephen
> Elop.  Ex-Microsoft manager who managed to move Nokia away from MeeGo and
> Symbian to a Microsoft platform.  The future for MeeGo and Nokia is at the
> very best very unclear, as many see the N9 and N950 releases as a
> distraction rather than a focus point.
> 
> I'd say there are reasons why to be concerned.

Word is Kundra had very little power to change anything substantial. Yes
he was able to start some projects and publish guidelines but afaik had
no real power to do anything, not in the short term at least.
If the new guy has the same powers I expect a similar outcome.

Simo.

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On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 11:16:07AM +0200, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> On 08/05/2011 08:49 PM, Don Zickus wrote:
> 
> > Regardless, the only real scenario we envisioned that this could be useful
> > is for customers who couldn't wait a few days or a couple of weeks to
> > reboot a security fix kernel.  But then the idea was they could 'limp'
> > along with a ksplice'd fix until they could reboot with the properly
> > supported kernel within a short timeframe (again a couple of weeks or so).
> 
> Think RHEV-H for a perfectly valid and extremely risky candidate ;-)
> 
> The more hypervisors run on Linux+KVM the more often we will see the
> need for a ksplice-like approach ...

Good point.  But wouldn't VM migration help here?

Cheers,
Don

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On 08/08/2011 03:15 PM, Don Zickus wrote:

> Good point.  But wouldn't VM migration help here?

Depends on the setup. If you have enough spare capacity to free the
hypervisors for a reboot (and perhaps even have that process fully
automated, hint! hint!) you might never run into this problem.

But when your hypervisors are saturated or you simply don't have a
multi-hypervisor setup with shared storage (think a developer machine)
this usecase might still be valid and worth noting.

Jan

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On 08/08/2011 02:20 PM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> On 08/08/2011 03:15 PM, Don Zickus wrote:
> 
>> Good point.  But wouldn't VM migration help here?
> 
> Depends on the setup. If you have enough spare capacity to free the
> hypervisors for a reboot (and perhaps even have that process fully
> automated, hint! hint!) you might never run into this problem.

Doesn't the RHEV maintenance mode feature do exactly that?

> But when your hypervisors are saturated or you simply don't have a
> multi-hypervisor setup with shared storage (think a developer machine)
> this usecase might still be valid and worth noting.

I'm not sure I see how this use case meshes with the need for ksplice updates?

If a machine is of low enough importance to an organisation to not warrant
adequate capacity or redundancy to allow standard maintenance techniques to work
then it's hard to see how you would justify a need for zero downtime patching
either.

Regards,
Bryn.

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On 08/08/2011 03:33 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> On 08/08/2011 02:20 PM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
>> On 08/08/2011 03:15 PM, Don Zickus wrote:
>>
>>> Good point.  But wouldn't VM migration help here?
>>
>> Depends on the setup. If you have enough spare capacity to free the
>> hypervisors for a reboot (and perhaps even have that process fully
>> automated, hint! hint!) you might never run into this problem.
> 
> Doesn't the RHEV maintenance mode feature do exactly that?

I am not sure if the RHEV Maintenance mode implements this:

- IF kernel update on hypervisor needed:
- GROUP all relevant hypervisors
- FOR hyperviso IN GROUP:
  - Migrate all VMs away, wait till safe to reboot
  - Update kernel and other dependent parts
  - Reboot box
- ENDFOR

IIRC this must be done manually.

Jan


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On 08/08/2011 02:35 PM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
> On 08/08/2011 03:33 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
>> On 08/08/2011 02:20 PM, Jan Wildeboer wrote:
>>> On 08/08/2011 03:15 PM, Don Zickus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good point.  But wouldn't VM migration help here?
>>>
>>> Depends on the setup. If you have enough spare capacity to free the
>>> hypervisors for a reboot (and perhaps even have that process fully
>>> automated, hint! hint!) you might never run into this problem.
>>
>> Doesn't the RHEV maintenance mode feature do exactly that?
> 
> I am not sure if the RHEV Maintenance mode implements this:

I don't think ksplice implements this either. You still have to coordinate this
shuffle-and-reboot dance at some point - ksplice just delays that inevitability
for some period of time.

> IIRC this must be done manually.

It's orthogonal to ksplice but I agree that simplifying this type of activity
would be a benefit to administrators - I don't know if there are any plans afoot
for this type of feature.

Regards,
Bryn.

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On 08/05/2011 10:48 AM, David O'Brien wrote:
>
> I don't even wear my badge exposed when _in_ the office, much less
> outside, and _I'm surprised at the number of people who do_. There are
> also those who wear both their badge and their RSA Token attached to
> one of those neck straps, in plain view, in and out of the office. Not
> what I'd call security conscious.
>
> David 


In RDU, we're asked to, unless something has changed. Situation at your
office may be different. We're expected to politely inquire of someone
wandering the halls with no badge (yes, it has happened once or twice).

I don't see the problem wth the RSA token being carried on one's person
with badge. It's a "what you have + what you know" solution, so unless
the PIN is on the badge or token, it's relatively safe.

Or perhaps I'm missing something here? Why do you feel these practices
are "not security conscious?"

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    On 08/05/2011 10:48 AM, David O'Brien wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:4E3C02AE.20604@redhat.com" type="cite"><br>
      I don't even wear my badge exposed when _in_ the office, much less
      outside, and <u>I'm surprised at the number of people who do</u>.
      There are also those who wear both their badge and their RSA Token
      attached to one of those neck straps, in plain view, in and out of
      the office. Not what I'd call security conscious.
      <br>
      <br>
      David
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <br>
    In RDU, we're asked to, unless something has changed. Situation at
    your office may be different. We're expected to politely inquire of
    someone wandering the halls with no badge (yes, it has happened once
    or twice). <br>
    <br>
    I don't see the problem wth the RSA token being carried on one's
    person with badge. It's a "what you have + what you know" solution,
    so unless the PIN is on the badge or token, it's relatively safe. <br>
    <br>
    Or perhaps I'm missing something here? Why do you feel these
    practices are "not security conscious?" <br>
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On 08/08/2011 03:12 PM, David Spalding wrote:
> I don't see the problem wth the RSA token being carried on one's 
> person with badge. It's a "what you have + what you know" solution, so 
> unless the PIN is on the badge or token, it's relatively safe.
>
> Or perhaps I'm missing something here? Why do you feel these practices 
> are "not security conscious?"

Yes, it's "what you have + what you know".
But if you carry the RSA token in plain sight, that negates the "what 
you have" part.

It's not ok to give someone access to either the PIN or the token just 
because you assume it's worthless without the other.
That misses the entire reason two-factor authentication is better than 
one-factor.

-Dennis

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      I don't see the problem wth the RSA token being carried on one's
      person with badge. It's a "what you have + what you know"
      solution, so unless the PIN is on the badge or token, it's
      relatively safe. <br>
      <br>
      Or perhaps I'm missing something here? Why do you feel these
      practices are "not security conscious?" <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Yes, it's "what you have + what you know".<br>
    But if you carry the RSA token in plain sight, that negates the
    "what you have" part.<br>
    <br>
    It's not ok to give someone access to either the PIN or the token
    just because you assume it's worthless without the other.<br>
    That misses the entire reason two-factor authentication is better
    than one-factor.<br>
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Bull. MSFT recruited me a few years ago specifically to fight the GPL
and Open Source. I went through several rounds of interviews to see what
the deal was.

They talk a good game publicly, but at the end of the day, make no
mistake - they want us and our open way of life DEAD.

Thomas

On 08/05/2011 09:28 AM, Flix Dewaleyne wrote:
> I can confirm I have in my friends the equivalent of GPS for microsoft
> and I can say he and I are good friends :) he does like opensource, I
> can confirm microsoft does not pay to hate opensource :)
> 
> On 08/05/2011 01:25 PM, Josh Bressers wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> On 08/04/2011 09:55 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
>>>
>>>> If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it
>>>> means little for anyone.
>>>
>>> Externally this might be true. But internally this can mean a lot. 
>>> Seeing how Microsoft is trying to redefine Open everywhere, this
>>> is definitely something worth keeping an eye on.
>>>
>>> Fortunately we have opensourceforamerica.org and a whole team that 
>>> closely works with the federal market, so we are in a good position
>>> to watch and interfere when needed.
>>>
>>> It is a step backwards IMHO but I am willing to be convinced of
>>> the opposite. It's up to his actions, not his his history.
>>>
> 
>> I suspect such a history is no predictor of the future. It's one
>> place I think we (as employees of Red Hat) fail to understand how
>> people work.
> 
>> If you work for Microsoft, as a person you probably don't dislike
>> open source. I know plenty of folks in this very position. The
>> difference is Microsoft is basically paying you to dislike open
>> source. It's an instance where you're expected to fall into the
>> company mindset since they pay your bills.
> 
>> At Red Hat, many of us are here because of open source. We're not
>> paid to like open source, we're paid BECAUSE we like open source.
> 

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On 5.8.2011 11:50, Mat=C4=9Bj Cepl wrote:
> I always believe it to be forbidden under the current policy, and it
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On 08/08/2011 02:12 PM, David Spalding wrote:
> 
> 
> On 08/05/2011 10:48 AM, David O'Brien wrote:
>>
>> I don't even wear my badge exposed when _in_ the office, much less
>> outside, and _I'm surprised at the number of people who do_. There are
>> also those who wear both their badge and their RSA Token attached to
>> one of those neck straps, in plain view, in and out of the office. Not
>> what I'd call security conscious.
>>
>> David 
> 
> 
> In RDU, we're asked to, unless something has changed. Situation at your
> office may be different. We're expected to politely inquire of someone
> wandering the halls with no badge (yes, it has happened once or twice).
>

I do this when I go to any RH office. On 2 different trips, the RDU
office has caught me 3 times now. I have only been to the BOS office
once and I was "caught" by several people also.


A very very long time ago we didn't have badges. When I was out at the
old Cygnus office it was down from our colo so I had to go in to get
supplies. No one asked about me walking out with a computer, a tray of
hard drives and other stuff. So I went back in and grabbed a tray full
of food from the breakroom. That got me stopped :). Someone from Cygnus
did the same thing at RDU. No one asked about the food, but they did get
stopped from taking the computer equipment.

[My reasoning on this was that computer equipment at RDU was at a
premium and food wasn't. At Cygnus computer equipment was relatively in
abundance.. while food wasn't.]



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On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 05:47:21PM -0400, Mark Petrie wrote:
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> 

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Microsoft tried to hire me last year to head up their Open Source efforts in EMEA to court developers specifically with Ruby, Python and JBoss skills. This is the same Microsoft that paid me large personal damages for libel in 2006 so obviously group legal doesn't talk to HR.

I wasn't interested and put forward my former business partner who they hired instead and moved to the US with his young family.
 
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/030111-microsoft-rabellino.html

R

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Bull. MSFT recruited me a few years ago specifically to fight the GPL
and Open Source. I went through several rounds of interviews to see what
the deal was.

They talk a good game publicly, but at the end of the day, make no
mistake - they want us and our open way of life DEAD.

Thomas

On 08/05/2011 09:28 AM, Félix Dewaleyne wrote:
> I can confirm I have in my friends the equivalent of GPS for microsoft
> and I can say he and I are good friends :) he does like opensource, I
> can confirm microsoft does not pay to hate opensource :)
> 
> On 08/05/2011 01:25 PM, Josh Bressers wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> On 08/04/2011 09:55 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
>>>
>>>> If this new CIO has the same powers as the previous I think it
>>>> means little for anyone.
>>>
>>> Externally this might be true. But internally this can mean a lot. 
>>> Seeing how Microsoft is trying to redefine Open everywhere, this
>>> is definitely something worth keeping an eye on.
>>>
>>> Fortunately we have opensourceforamerica.org and a whole team that 
>>> closely works with the federal market, so we are in a good position
>>> to watch and interfere when needed.
>>>
>>> It is a step backwards IMHO but I am willing to be convinced of
>>> the opposite. It's up to his actions, not his his history.
>>>
> 
>> I suspect such a history is no predictor of the future. It's one
>> place I think we (as employees of Red Hat) fail to understand how
>> people work.
> 
>> If you work for Microsoft, as a person you probably don't dislike
>> open source. I know plenty of folks in this very position. The
>> difference is Microsoft is basically paying you to dislike open
>> source. It's an instance where you're expected to fall into the
>> company mindset since they pay your bills.
> 
>> At Red Hat, many of us are here because of open source. We're not
>> paid to like open source, we're paid BECAUSE we like open source.
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On 08/08/2011 04:41 PM, Dennis Reed wrote:
> On 08/08/2011 03:12 PM, David Spalding wrote:
>> I don't see the problem wth the RSA token being carried on one's
>> person with badge. It's a "what you have + what you know" solution,
>> so unless the PIN is on the badge or token, it's relatively safe.
>>
>> Or perhaps I'm missing something here? Why do you feel these
>> practices are "not security conscious?"
>
> Yes, it's "what you have + what you know".
> But if you carry the RSA token in plain sight, that negates the "what
> you have" part.
>
> It's not ok to give someone access to either the PIN or the token just
> because you assume it's worthless without the other.
> That misses the entire reason two-factor authentication is better than
> one-factor.

I still don't understand the alleged lapse in "security consciousness."
If you're wearing your token on your person (neck lanyard, cardkey
leash), how is this different from having it in your pocket, or having
it in your briefcase at your desk while you're in Meeting Room Omega?
Inside our restricted access offices, I haven't observed balaclava
wearing interlopers running about snatching RSA tokens.

Wearing the token around your neck is not giving something to anyone.

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    On 08/08/2011 04:41 PM, Dennis Reed wrote:
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        I don't see the problem wth the RSA token being carried on one's
        person with badge. It's a "what you have + what you know"
        solution, so unless the PIN is on the badge or token, it's
        relatively safe. <br>
        <br>
        Or perhaps I'm missing something here? Why do you feel these
        practices are "not security conscious?" <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Yes, it's "what you have + what you know".<br>
      But if you carry the RSA token in plain sight, that negates the
      "what you have" part.<br>
      <br>
      It's not ok to give someone access to either the PIN or the token
      just because you assume it's worthless without the other.<br>
      That misses the entire reason two-factor authentication is better
      than one-factor.</blockquote>
    <br>
    I still don't understand the alleged lapse in "security
    consciousness." If you're wearing your token on your person (neck
    lanyard, cardkey leash), how is this different from having it in
    your pocket, or having it in your briefcase at your desk while
    you're in Meeting Room Omega? Inside our restricted access offices,
    I haven't observed balaclava wearing interlopers running about
    snatching RSA tokens. <br>
    <br>
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On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 10:02:11AM -0400, David Spalding wrote:
>=20
>=20
> On 08/08/2011 04:41 PM, Dennis Reed wrote:
> > On 08/08/2011 03:12 PM, David Spalding wrote:
> >> I don't see the problem wth the RSA token being carried on one's
> >> person with badge. It's a "what you have + what you know" solution,
> >> so unless the PIN is on the badge or token, it's relatively safe.
> >>
> >> Or perhaps I'm missing something here? Why do you feel these
> >> practices are "not security conscious?"
> >
> > Yes, it's "what you have + what you know".
> > But if you carry the RSA token in plain sight, that negates the "what
> > you have" part.
> >
> > It's not ok to give someone access to either the PIN or the token just
> > because you assume it's worthless without the other.
> > That misses the entire reason two-factor authentication is better than
> > one-factor.
>=20
> I still don't understand the alleged lapse in "security consciousness."
> If you're wearing your token on your person (neck lanyard, cardkey
> leash), how is this different from having it in your pocket, or having
> it in your briefcase at your desk while you're in Meeting Room Omega?
> Inside our restricted access offices, I haven't observed balaclava
> wearing interlopers running about snatching RSA tokens.

Well, if you see one, make sure he's wearing his ID badge. If he is,
then it's probably either Smoogen or else Will Foster. Otherwise, call
security.
=20
> Wearing the token around your neck is not giving something to anyone.

Seriously, if anything, you're in better control of it since you know
where it is at all times then.

I'm still wonder, while in this thread, why hiding your ID badge is
better than having it out so people can know you have one with your
picture on it.

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On 08/09/2011 10:02 AM, David Spalding wrote:
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> On 08/08/2011 04:41 PM, Dennis Reed wrote:
>> On 08/08/2011 03:12 PM, David Spalding wrote:
>>> I don't see the problem wth the RSA token being carried on one's person with badge. It's a "what you have + what you know" solution, so unless the PIN is on the badge or token, it's relatively safe.
>>>
>>> Or perhaps I'm missing something here? Why do you feel these practices are "not security conscious?"
>>
>> Yes, it's "what you have + what you know".
>> But if you carry the RSA token in plain sight, that negates the "what you have" part.
>>
>> It's not ok to give someone access to either the PIN or the token just because you assume it's worthless without the other.
>> That misses the entire reason two-factor authentication is better than one-factor.
>
> I still don't understand the alleged lapse in "security consciousness." If you're wearing your token on your person (neck lanyard, cardkey leash), how is this different from having it in your pocket, or having it in your briefcase at your desk while you're in Meeting Room Omega? Inside our restricted access offices, I haven't observed balaclava wearing interlopers running about snatching RSA tokens.
>
> Wearing the token around your neck is not giving something to anyone.

I guess the difference is, if you are wearing the token in the open, someone could read the numbers displayed on the token without your knowledge.  Granted, most people don't have that good enough eye sight, but a high resolution can be zoomed and of course there are always the more classical optical devices that can be used for people with a straight line of sight.

Bill

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On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 11:20:41AM -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> I guess the difference is, if you are wearing the token in the open, some=
one could read the numbers displayed on the token without your knowledge.  =
Granted, most people don't have that good enough eye sight, but a high reso=
lution can be zoomed and of course there are always the more classical opti=
cal devices that can be used for people with a straight line of sight.

And that someone would have to then use that number within the next <60
seconds or else it becomes worthless information...

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On 08/09/2011 11:37 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 11:20:41AM -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
>> I guess the difference is, if you are wearing the token in the open, someone could read the numbers displayed on the token without your knowledge.  Granted, most people don't have that good enough eye sight, but a high resolution can be zoomed and of course there are always the more classical optical devices that can be used for people with a straight line of sight.
> And that someone would have to then use that number within the next<60
> seconds or else it becomes worthless information...

Not necessarily.   There have been enough security links from cisco, that it could be that one can determine the seed information from a time sequence of previous values.   But that does seem unlikely.   More likely would be if the office windows happen to be located where someone could use a telescope from across the street to pull up the numbers real time.   Another scenario would be if the planted a camera broadcasting in real time in the office itself, but if they have access to the office I think of much better things to do to hack security than planting a camera.   Although, I suppose a camera could be used more as a long term option should they not be able to gain physical access again.

Bill

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On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 11:54:27AM -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> Not necessarily.   There have been enough security links from cisco, that=
 it could be that one can determine the seed information from a time sequen=
ce of previous values.   But that does seem unlikely.   More likely would b=
e if the office windows happen to be located where someone could use a tele=
scope from across the street to pull up the numbers real time.   Another sc=
enario would be if the planted a camera broadcasting in real time in the of=
fice itself, but if they have access to the office I think of much better t=
hings to do to hack security than planting a camera.   Although, I suppose =
a camera could be used more as a long term option should they not be able t=
o gain physical access again.

And if all of that were the case, then your SecurID fob hanging around
your neck is not an issue since simply holding it in your hand makes it
"accessible".

So I think we should now only read them while placing our heads within a
pillowcase or burlap sack, along with our keyboards so those camera
spies can't see what we're typing.

;)

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On 08/09/2011 05:03 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 11:54:27AM -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
>> Not necessarily.   There have been enough security links from cisco, that it could be that one can determine the seed information from a time sequence of previous values.   But that does seem unlikely.   More likely would be if the office windows happen to be located where someone could use a telescope from across the street to pull up the numbers real time.   Another scenario would be if the planted a camera broadcasting in real time in the office itself, but if they have access to the office I think of much better things to do to hack security than planting a camera.   Although, I suppose a camera could be used more as a long term option should they not be able to gain physical access again.
>
> And if all of that were the case, then your SecurID fob hanging around
> your neck is not an issue since simply holding it in your hand makes it
> "accessible".
>
> So I think we should now only read them while placing our heads within a
> pillowcase or burlap sack, along with our keyboards so those camera
> spies can't see what we're typing.
>
> ;)

don't forget to add enough insulation to muffle the sound of the keystrokes.

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/09/14_key.shtm


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On 08/09/2011 12:03 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 11:54:27AM -0400, Bill C Riemers wrote:
>> Not necessarily.   There have been enough security links from cisco, that it could be that one can determine the seed information from a time sequence of previous values.   But that does seem unlikely.   More likely would be if the office windows happen to be located where someone could use a telescope from across the street to pull up the numbers real time.   Another scenario would be if the planted a camera broadcasting in real time in the office itself, but if they have access to the office I think of much better things to do to hack security than planting a camera.   Although, I suppose a camera could be used more as a long term option should they not be able to gain physical access again.
> And if all of that were the case, then your SecurID fob hanging around
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> "accessible".
>
> So I think we should now only read them while placing our heads within a
> pillowcase or burlap sack, along with our keyboards so those camera
> spies can't see what we're typing.
>
> ;)

Great Idea!!!   I have personally been using a bucket over my head, but a sack sounds much more comfortable.  Actually, I  would think it would be more secure to make a dongle without a display that plugs into the computer.  To keep people from just leaving them plugged in, they could do an annoying buzz sound or such when connected for more than five minutes...

Bill

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On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:09:02PM +0100, Jonathan Halliday wrote:
> >>Not necessarily.   There have been enough security links from cisco, th=
at it could be that one can determine the seed information from a time sequ=
ence of previous values.   But that does seem unlikely.   More likely would=
 be if the office windows happen to be located where someone could use a te=
lescope from across the street to pull up the numbers real time.   Another =
scenario would be if the planted a camera broadcasting in real time in the =
office itself, but if they have access to the office I think of much better=
 things to do to hack security than planting a camera.   Although, I suppos=
e a camera could be used more as a long term option should they not be able=
 to gain physical access again.
> >
> >And if all of that were the case, then your SecurID fob hanging around
> >your neck is not an issue since simply holding it in your hand makes it
> >"accessible".
> >
> >So I think we should now only read them while placing our heads within a
> >pillowcase or burlap sack, along with our keyboards so those camera
> >spies can't see what we're typing.
> >
> >;)
>=20
> don't forget to add enough insulation to muffle the sound of the keystrok=
es.
>=20
> http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/09/14_key.shtm

And thermal baffling to prevent an IR camera from tracking your fingers.

http://tinyurl.com/3uxb4dg

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This is unbelievable!

Coming home earlier to my home in North West London from the city 
centre, people everywhere look very nervous and pale as they are very 
frightened. Some of my local shops have had their windows smashed, most 
filling stations are closed (shops anyway), as staff won't take any risks.

Even worse, part of the police force consists of community support 
officers, which are absolutely not up for such a riot situation. At 
least they have got the dog units!

Many London homes are currently being burgled, as they are aware that 
Police is tied in somewhere else.

Also it is unbelievable how ignorant some people are, as my neighbour is 
considering to go to his night shift by bus to Heathrow/Hounslow 
(affected bus lines are already diverted anyway). There and definitely 
in Acton further riots are expected to kick off heavily...

Right now, it appears like its safer in any civil war country!

On 08/09/2011 04:40 PM, James Dawe wrote:
> Thanks Caroline. This has my full support for my teams. Guys - please don't take risks - just make enough time to get to your homes safely.
>
>
> -James
>
> Redhat
>
>
> On 9 Aug 2011, at 16:13, Caroline Jay<cjay@redhat.com>  wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> As I'm sure some of you are aware the police may be closing stations around the London area.
>>
>> If you need to travel back up to London please make arrangements to leave early if possible and notify your manager.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Caroline
>>
>> -- 
>> Senior People Strategy Consultant
>> UK/Ireland&   Nordics
>> Red Hat UK Ltd
>> 200 Fowler Avenue
>> Farnborough
>> Hants GU14 7JP
>> Direct Line: +44 1252 362846
>> Mobile: +44 7826 872244
>>
>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
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>> (USA), Charlie Peters (USA)
>>

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I suggest you check #riotcleanup on twitter for a rather more positive view of Londoners responses to the unrest. 

Regards,
Nick

--
Sent from mobile device, apologies for brevity. 

On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:50, TJ Jakobza <tjakobza@redhat.com> wrote:

> This is unbelievable!
> 
> Coming home earlier to my home in North West London from the city centre, people everywhere look very nervous and pale as they are very frightened. Some of my local shops have had their windows smashed, most filling stations are closed (shops anyway), as staff won't take any risks.
> 
> Even worse, part of the police force consists of community support officers, which are absolutely not up for such a riot situation. At least they have got the dog units!
> 
> Many London homes are currently being burgled, as they are aware that Police is tied in somewhere else.
> 
> Also it is unbelievable how ignorant some people are, as my neighbour is considering to go to his night shift by bus to Heathrow/Hounslow (affected bus lines are already diverted anyway). There and definitely in Acton further riots are expected to kick off heavily...
> 
> Right now, it appears like its safer in any civil war country!
> 
> On 08/09/2011 04:40 PM, James Dawe wrote:
>> Thanks Caroline. This has my full support for my teams. Guys - please don't take risks - just make enough time to get to your homes safely.
>> 
>> 
>> -James
>> 
>> Redhat
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Aug 2011, at 16:13, Caroline Jay<cjay@redhat.com>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> 
>>> As I'm sure some of you are aware the police may be closing stations around the London area.
>>> 
>>> If you need to travel back up to London please make arrangements to leave early if possible and notify your manager.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> Caroline
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Senior People Strategy Consultant
>>> UK/Ireland&   Nordics
>>> Red Hat UK Ltd
>>> 200 Fowler Avenue
>>> Farnborough
>>> Hants GU14 7JP
>>> Direct Line: +44 1252 362846
>>> Mobile: +44 7826 872244
>>> 
>>> Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 03798903
>>> Directors: Michael Cunningham (USA), Mark Hegarty (Ireland), Matt Parson
>>> (USA), Charlie Peters (USA)
>>> 
> 

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Hi all, sorry for cross-posting,

OSDC.fr is the French version of OSDC conferences hold all over the
world, in countries such as Australia, Taiwan, Israel, Malaysia, etc.
For its third year, OSDC.fr changes its usual set, and partners with the
Open World Forum, within the “CODE” part of the forum. The Open World
Forum will take place in Paris at the Eurosites George V, from Thursday
22nd to Saturday 24th September 2011. The “CODE” events will be held on
Friday 23rd and Saturday 24t September. Admission is free, please
register.

The call for paper is ongoing and we need you to make it a success for
Red Hat.

All expert-level (development) contributions are seeked, would that be
C, C++, Java, Ceylon, kernel, spice, device drivers but also dynamic
languages (ruby, python, perl et al.).

More information (registration required) at :
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The call for papers ends on August 17th.

As usual, you'll need manager approval to submit and attend if not based
in Paris.

Please let Véronique (Cc:) and I know so we can track our talks.

Regards, thanks in advance,

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On 08/10/2011 04:35 AM, Nick Strugnell wrote:
> I suggest you check #riotcleanup on twitter for a rather more positive view of Londoners responses to the unrest. 

There's a website too, http://www.riotcleanup.co.uk/Locations.php.

Eugene

> Regards,
> Nick
> 
> --
> Sent from mobile device, apologies for brevity. 
> 
> On 9 Aug 2011, at 20:50, TJ Jakobza <tjakobza@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is unbelievable!
>>
>> Coming home earlier to my home in North West London from the city centre, people everywhere look very nervous and pale as they are very frightened. Some of my local shops have had their windows smashed, most filling stations are closed (shops anyway), as staff won't take any risks.
>>
>> Even worse, part of the police force consists of community support officers, which are absolutely not up for such a riot situation. At least they have got the dog units!
>>
>> Many London homes are currently being burgled, as they are aware that Police is tied in somewhere else.
>>
>> Also it is unbelievable how ignorant some people are, as my neighbour is considering to go to his night shift by bus to Heathrow/Hounslow (affected bus lines are already diverted anyway). There and definitely in Acton further riots are expected to kick off heavily...
>>
>> Right now, it appears like its safer in any civil war country!
>>
>> On 08/09/2011 04:40 PM, James Dawe wrote:
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On 08/09/2011 05:07 PM, Richard Morrell wrote:
> Microsoft tried to hire me last year to head up their Open Source
> efforts in EMEA to court developers specifically with Ruby, Python
> and JBoss skills. This is the same Microsoft that paid me large
> personal damages for libel in 2006 so obviously group legal doesn't
> talk to HR.

Yeah, Microsoft is far from a monolithic organisation when it comes to 
open source issues. At the same time as their leadership is badmouthing 
open source in general and fighting open standards efforts at the 
political level, other parts of the company are actively courting open 
source developers and trying to convince the company as a whole to adopt 
a less antagonistic attitude towards the open source ethos.

Those internal disputes leak out into public view as the company's 
seemingly contradictory actions. We see a fair bit of the more positive 
engagements in the Python community, in the form of things like 
conference sponsorships, free MSDN subscriptions, their initial support 
for IronPython development and their current support for Python Tools 
for Visual Studio. Sure, that can all be chalked up to Microsoft having 
a vested interest in the language being well supported on their 
platform, but the specific individuals involved are pro open source, 
regardless of the official position of their employer.

Cheers,
Nick.

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On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 11:38 +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On 08/09/2011 05:07 PM, Richard Morrell wrote:
> > Microsoft tried to hire me last year to head up their Open Source
> > efforts in EMEA to court developers specifically with Ruby, Python
> > and JBoss skills. This is the same Microsoft that paid me large
> > personal damages for libel in 2006 so obviously group legal doesn't
> > talk to HR.
> 
> Yeah, Microsoft is far from a monolithic organisation when it comes to 
> open source issues. At the same time as their leadership is badmouthing 
> open source in general and fighting open standards efforts at the 
> political level, other parts of the company are actively courting open 
> source developers and trying to convince the company as a whole to adopt 
> a less antagonistic attitude towards the open source ethos.
> 
> Those internal disputes leak out into public view as the company's 
> seemingly contradictory actions. We see a fair bit of the more positive 
> engagements in the Python community, in the form of things like 
> conference sponsorships, free MSDN subscriptions, their initial support 
> for IronPython development and their current support for Python Tools 
> for Visual Studio. Sure, that can all be chalked up to Microsoft having 
> a vested interest in the language being well supported on their 
> platform, but the specific individuals involved are pro open source, 
> regardless of the official position of their employer.

We always had exceptionally good relationships with Microsoft engineers
in the Samba Team. Except for the few years when they were told to not
talk to us or else. We have again good relationships with new engineers
wince the European ruling forced MS to document and provide assistance
on the docs to us. That doesn't mean the upper management is kind or
want turn again as soon as their tactical interest are gone or the EC
ruling terminates.
Always treat every single person respectfully, most people in MS is good
people, but don't be fooled about the whole company, they showed time
and again they are not too trustworthy if you get in their way.

Simo.

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Reiy,
Would you like to set up a conference call to discuss how we can get you 
more engaged with the web redesign project?

thanks,

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Yet another social networking site doing weird crap behind your back.  LinkedIn defaults to 'LinkedIn may use my name, photo in social networking.'  Its super quick to resolve this:

http://www.bartgrootveld.com/socialmedia/linkedin-default-setting-third-party-advertising/

Before some of you say "It's no big deal" or "I don't care if they use my image for selling Thai Massage Oil over in Somalia;" why can't these sites set the defaults the other way.  I bet friendster never did any of this and I hope G+ is not doing this.  Blah! 

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On 08/11/2011 05:30 AM, William Burrows wrote:
> Yet another social networking site doing weird crap behind your back.  LinkedIn defaults to 'LinkedIn may use my name, photo in social networking.'  Its super quick to resolve this:
>
> http://www.bartgrootveld.com/socialmedia/linkedin-default-setting-third-party-advertising/

Great info, William.

Marketing folks will almost always prefer opt-out as the default. 
Considering how many people use IE for the sheer reason that it's the 
default, it's a great strategy for achieving their goals.

> Before some of you say "It's no big deal" or "I don't care if they use my image for selling Thai Massage Oil over in Somalia;" why can't these sites set the defaults the other way.  I bet friendster never did any of this and I hope G+ is not doing this.  Blah!
>
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On the flipside if it weren't for Linkedin I'm willing to bet it would be a lot harder for our recruiters to find good talent.  That's how I was recruited.  In the end *everything* has a cost, even breathing.

----- Original Message -----
> Yet another social networking site doing weird crap behind your back.
>  LinkedIn defaults to 'LinkedIn may use my name, photo in social
> networking.'  Its super quick to resolve this:
> 
> http://www.bartgrootveld.com/socialmedia/linkedin-default-setting-third-party-advertising/
> 
> Before some of you say "It's no big deal" or "I don't care if they
> use my image for selling Thai Massage Oil over in Somalia;" why
> can't these sites set the defaults the other way.  I bet friendster
> never did any of this and I hope G+ is not doing this.  Blah!
> 
> Regards,
> William Burrows, RHCE
> Global Support Services
> Red Hat, Inc.
> 
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On 08/04/2011 03:12 PM, Josh Stone wrote:
> Perhaps a way this could have felt more open is to shift that from "The
> team wasn't preventing input and feedback," to "The team invited input
> and feedback."  Not on every little thing, of course, I never meant such
> hyperbole.  But those roughly-quarterly announcements may have been a
> good time as you show-and-tell to ask "How are we doing?"

FWIW, this thread has really hit home for me. Many projects go through 
similar struggles of communication -- who should we engage, who should 
we consult, who should we inform -- especially those that desire true 
collaboration and participation across our organization. And for many of 
the reasons previously mentioned, even those with the best intentions 
fall short.

informing != collaboration
asking for input != engaging

Choice of words suggests intention, and we often respond appropriately. 
The difference may appear at first to be a pedantic argument, but 
perhaps it's the difference between executing a successful communication 
strategy and executing a successful associate engagement strategy.

-- 

Mike Amburn
http://red.ht/mamburn

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I prefer thinking that anything put on a social media site is not private.  

Linkedin is an incredibly useful tool especially when establishing new partner relationships where you know nothing about a company's org., roles and culture.


On Aug 11, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Andrew Nelson wrote:

> On the flipside if it weren't for Linkedin I'm willing to bet it would be a lot harder for our recruiters to find good talent.  That's how I was recruited.  In the end *everything* has a cost, even breathing.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Yet another social networking site doing weird crap behind your back.
>> LinkedIn defaults to 'LinkedIn may use my name, photo in social
>> networking.'  Its super quick to resolve this:
>> 
>> http://www.bartgrootveld.com/socialmedia/linkedin-default-setting-third-party-advertising/
>> 
>> Before some of you say "It's no big deal" or "I don't care if they
>> use my image for selling Thai Massage Oil over in Somalia;" why
>> can't these sites set the defaults the other way.  I bet friendster
>> never did any of this and I hope G+ is not doing this.  Blah!
>> 
>> Regards,
>> William Burrows, RHCE
>> Global Support Services
>> Red Hat, Inc.
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I have a bag of new and gently used 12 month old baby boy clothes. Please respond off list if any one wants them. You have to take the whole bag. 

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But don't you WANT to improve your "personal brand promise?"  ,:}

http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2011/06/24/mm-branding-yourself-through-social-media/

Seems innocent enough.... The blog post (below) seems to indicate that
this is how things like the Red Hat banner/recruiting thing works (see:
Announce-list).  I asked ... it's NOT.[1]  So ... I'm not sure what
LinkedIn is planning to do with this.

http://blog.linkedin.com/2011/06/23/social-ads/

[1] The recruiting block is activated by marking the correct Red Hat,
Inc. as your employer. Again, see Announce-list for details.


BTW, Friendster probably never did things like this ... and look where
they are now. This is how the big, successful sites roll ... we can't
pretend we won't expect these things to creep up on us (and I do mean
creep, as in "creepy"). ,:)

~Dbs

On 08/11/2011 05:30 AM, William Burrows wrote:
> Yet another social networking site doing weird crap behind your back.  LinkedIn defaults to 'LinkedIn may use my name, photo in social networking.'  Its super quick to resolve this:
>
> http://www.bartgrootveld.com/socialmedia/linkedin-default-setting-third-party-advertising/
>
> Before some of you say "It's no big deal" or "I don't care if they use my image for selling Thai Massage Oil over in Somalia;" why can't these sites set the defaults the other way.  I bet friendster never did any of this and I hope G+ is not doing this.  Blah! 



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On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 07:46:18AM -0700, Paul Milo wrote:
> I prefer thinking that anything put on a social media site is not private.  
> 
> Linkedin is an incredibly useful tool especially when establishing new partner relationships where you know nothing about a company's org., roles and culture.

It's also an incredibly effective tool for annoying the living fsck out of
people.  Exhibit A: ten days ago some wankers I've never heard about before
decided that it would be a grand idea to splatter their turd over my mailbox,
asking me to go to that site and do something there.  OK, they'd been told
to go away.  A week later I've got the following:

"This is a reminder that on August 1, Atual Clip Comunica????o sent you an invitation to become part of his or her professional network at LinkedIn."

this time from LinkedIn itself.  Response:

| Why, thank you so much for reminding me of that spam.  Incidentally, I have
| replied to it - with firm suggestion to sod off and pester me no more.
|
| Let me make it perfectly clear: I do NOT wish to hear from them OR from
| you ever again.  Moreover, I will NOT be creating a LinkedIn account, no
| matter what.  And speaking of recommendations, I will actively recommend
| against dealing with LinkedIn in any capacity other than spam filter fodder.

I sincerely hope they go the way of Cyberpromo.  Chapter 7, that is...

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Sorry I had it on the wrong list. But they are now taken. 

Brian 


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I've come across several discussions around whether to use "log in" or 
"sign in" for an online site. I recently posted a list of which was used 
by some of our partners and competitors, and it made me wonder whether 
sign in/login in are truly interchangeable or whether there's a distinction.

As an exercise, I imagined how the difference in tone and connotation 
between the two might play out applied to a social event.

What do you think?
http://red.ht/pPfin8

Which do you think we should be using for the Customer Portal?

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I see it quite differently.

Log in (less formal):  You arrive, show your ID and we write your name in a book showing that you entered.  You can leave whenever you want and we'll log it when you do so.   We may check your id each time you return and log the fact that you came in.

Sign in (more formal):  You must present your id, then sign a ledger affirming that you are in fact authorized to be there.  We'll check that signature against the one in our database, along with comparing your photo.  Signing the ledger binds you to a certain set of rules.  When you leave we may ask you to sign the ledger again affirming that you didn't break any of our rules...

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> I've come across several discussions around whether to use "log in" or
> "sign in" for an online site. I recently posted a list of which was
> used
> by some of our partners and competitors, and it made me wonder whether
> sign in/login in are truly interchangeable or whether there's a
> distinction.
> 
> As an exercise, I imagined how the difference in tone and connotation
> between the two might play out applied to a social event.
> 
> What do you think?
> http://red.ht/pPfin8
> 
> Which do you think we should be using for the Customer Portal?
> 
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> Mike Amburn
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Thanks for the info William, I hadn't noticed this. A quick scour of google news shows that they have since backed down.

WSJ article: http://on.wsj.com/p2Jhhi

MSNBC: http://on.msnbc.com/nWDqzP

This sees LinkedIn join Dropbox in the "disasters of change management for 2011" category, but I would expect that the advertising feature would work its way in eventually. This is the direction that most flavours of social networking are turning, with Facebook making the initial push with their rather cleverly titled "Sponsored Stories".

http://www.insidefacebook.com/2011/01/24/sponsored-stories-feed-ads/

I doubt many of us non-marketing people actually like these features, but the fact that it got rolled back due to customer feedback is a positive take-away. 

Regards, 

David Ryan
Content Author - Engineering Content Services, Red Hat, Inc.
Brisbane, Australia 
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Yet another social networking site doing weird crap behind your back.  LinkedIn defaults to 'LinkedIn may use my name, photo in social networking.'  Its super quick to resolve this:

http://www.bartgrootveld.com/socialmedia/linkedin-default-setting-third-party-advertising/

Before some of you say "It's no big deal" or "I don't care if they use my image for selling Thai Massage Oil over in Somalia;" why can't these sites set the defaults the other way.  I bet friendster never did any of this and I hope G+ is not doing this.  Blah! 

Regards,
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Rolled back?  I checked LinkedIn today and it was selected on my profile. I immediately deselected the box.  Thanks!


Thanks,
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Thanks for the info William, I hadn't noticed this. A quick scour of google news shows that they have since backed down.

WSJ article: http://on.wsj.com/p2Jhhi

MSNBC: http://on.msnbc.com/nWDqzP

This sees LinkedIn join Dropbox in the "disasters of change management for 2011" category, but I would expect that the advertising feature would work its way in eventually. This is the direction that most flavours of social networking are turning, with Facebook making the initial push with their rather cleverly titled "Sponsored Stories".

http://www.insidefacebook.com/2011/01/24/sponsored-stories-feed-ads/

I doubt many of us non-marketing people actually like these features, but the fact that it got rolled back due to customer feedback is a positive take-away. 

Regards, 

David Ryan
Content Author - Engineering Content Services, Red Hat, Inc.
Brisbane, Australia 
Email: dryan@redhat.com 
Direct: +61 7 3514 8261



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Yet another social networking site doing weird crap behind your back.  LinkedIn defaults to 'LinkedIn may use my name, photo in social networking.'  Its super quick to resolve this:

http://www.bartgrootveld.com/socialmedia/linkedin-default-setting-third-party-advertising/

Before some of you say "It's no big deal" or "I don't care if they use my image for selling Thai Massage Oil over in Somalia;" why can't these sites set the defaults the other way.  I bet friendster never did any of this and I hope G+ is not doing this.  Blah! 

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The "feature" not rolled back at all. AFAIK they have agreed not to use people's names only as opposed to names and photos if they don't opt out. 

Thanks, 

Misha Husnain Ali


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Rolled back?  I checked LinkedIn today and it was selected on my profile. I immediately deselected the box.  Thanks!


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Thanks for the info William, I hadn't noticed this. A quick scour of google news shows that they have since backed down.

WSJ article: http://on.wsj.com/p2Jhhi

MSNBC: http://on.msnbc.com/nWDqzP

This sees LinkedIn join Dropbox in the "disasters of change management for 2011" category, but I would expect that the advertising feature would work its way in eventually. This is the direction that most flavours of social networking are turning, with Facebook making the initial push with their rather cleverly titled "Sponsored Stories".

http://www.insidefacebook.com/2011/01/24/sponsored-stories-feed-ads/

I doubt many of us non-marketing people actually like these features, but the fact that it got rolled back due to customer feedback is a positive take-away. 

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David Ryan
Content Author - Engineering Content Services, Red Hat, Inc.
Brisbane, Australia 
Email: dryan@redhat.com 
Direct: +61 7 3514 8261



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Yet another social networking site doing weird crap behind your back.  LinkedIn defaults to 'LinkedIn may use my name, photo in social networking.'  Its super quick to resolve this:

http://www.bartgrootveld.com/socialmedia/linkedin-default-setting-third-party-advertising/

Before some of you say "It's no big deal" or "I don't care if they use my image for selling Thai Massage Oil over in Somalia;" why can't these sites set the defaults the other way.  I bet friendster never did any of this and I hope G+ is not doing this.  Blah! 

Regards,
William Burrows, RHCE
Global Support Services
Red Hat, Inc.

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Interesting. What do you think drives you to associate these actions 
with the different terms?


On 08/11/2011 05:54 PM, Karlos Smith wrote:
> I see it quite differently.
>
> Log in (less formal):  You arrive, show your ID and we write your name in a book showing that you entered.  You can leave whenever you want and we'll log it when you do so.   We may check your id each time you return and log the fact that you came in.
>
> Sign in (more formal):  You must present your id, then sign a ledger affirming that you are in fact authorized to be there.  We'll check that signature against the one in our database, along with comparing your photo.  Signing the ledger binds you to a certain set of rules.  When you leave we may ask you to sign the ledger again affirming that you didn't break any of our rules...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> I've come across several discussions around whether to use "log in" or
>> "sign in" for an online site. I recently posted a list of which was
>> used
>> by some of our partners and competitors, and it made me wonder whether
>> sign in/login in are truly interchangeable or whether there's a
>> distinction.
>>
>> As an exercise, I imagined how the difference in tone and connotation
>> between the two might play out applied to a social event.
>>
>> What do you think?
>> http://red.ht/pPfin8
>>
>> Which do you think we should be using for the Customer Portal?
>>
>> --
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>> Mike Amburn
>> http://red.ht/mamburn
>>
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For me, a "log" is just a record of what happened.  But, "signing" something implies some sort of affirmation, or binding commitment.

----- Original Message -----
> Interesting. What do you think drives you to associate these actions
> with the different terms?
> 
> 
> On 08/11/2011 05:54 PM, Karlos Smith wrote:
> > I see it quite differently.
> >
> > Log in (less formal): You arrive, show your ID and we write your
> > name in a book showing that you entered. You can leave whenever you
> > want and we'll log it when you do so. We may check your id each time
> > you return and log the fact that you came in.
> >
> > Sign in (more formal): You must present your id, then sign a ledger
> > affirming that you are in fact authorized to be there. We'll check
> > that signature against the one in our database, along with comparing
> > your photo. Signing the ledger binds you to a certain set of rules.
> > When you leave we may ask you to sign the ledger again affirming
> > that you didn't break any of our rules...
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> I've come across several discussions around whether to use "log in"
> >> or
> >> "sign in" for an online site. I recently posted a list of which was
> >> used
> >> by some of our partners and competitors, and it made me wonder
> >> whether
> >> sign in/login in are truly interchangeable or whether there's a
> >> distinction.
> >>
> >> As an exercise, I imagined how the difference in tone and
> >> connotation
> >> between the two might play out applied to a social event.
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >> http://red.ht/pPfin8
> >>
> >> Which do you think we should be using for the Customer Portal?
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Mike Amburn
> >> http://red.ht/mamburn
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Memo-list mailing list
> >> Memo-list@redhat.com
> >> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/memo-list
> >
> 
> --
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> Mike Amburn
> http://red.ht/mamburn
> 
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On 08/12/2011 03:03 PM, Karlos Smith wrote:
> For me, a "log" is just a record of what happened.  But, "signing" something implies some sort of affirmation, or binding commitment.
I prefer logon, which is what I do when the campfire starts to die..

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On 11.8.2011 22:58, Mike Amburn wrote:
> I've come across several discussions around whether to use "log in" or
> "sign in" for an online site. I recently posted a list of which was used
> by some of our partners and competitors, and it made me wonder whether
> sign in/login in are truly interchangeable or whether there's a
> distinction.
> 

English is my second language and on any site, I'm looking for "log in"
first because it is what most of the sites used. If the login/passwd
prompt isn't visible at the first glance, using logon, sign in or
similar stuff is just a dumb attempt to slow my progress on the site.

So if English isn't first language of majority of our customers, stick
with most widespread words to keep basic navigation as smooth as possible.

David

> As an exercise, I imagined how the difference in tone and connotation
> between the two might play out applied to a social event.
> 
> What do you think?
> http://red.ht/pPfin8
> 
> Which do you think we should be using for the Customer Portal?
> 


-- 

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Dear all,

Do you happen to have a good SWOT analysis on open source? A potential 
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I was curious what Jakob Nielsen used, and found uses of both "login"
and "sign-on" (referring to what he calls "Loch Ness monster of
intranets, /single sign-on/"). "Sign-on" becomes more prevalent the more
recent his column is. ,:)

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/portals.html
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/passwords.html
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/intranet-portals-study-3.html
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/intranet-portals-study-1.html
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20050117.html


On 08/11/2011 04:58 PM, Mike Amburn wrote:
> I've come across several discussions around whether to use "log in" or
"sign in" for an online site. I recently posted a list of which was used
by some of our partners and competitors, and it made me wonder whether
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>
> As an exercise, I imagined how the difference in tone and connotation
between the two might play out applied to a social event.
>
> What do you think?
> http://red.ht/pPfin8
>
> Which do you think we should be using for the Customer Portal?
>

- -- 


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On 11/08/11 23:54, Karlos Smith wrote:
> I see it quite differently.
> 
> Log in (less formal):  You arrive, show your ID and we write your name in a book showing that you entered.  You can leave whenever you want and we'll log it when you do so.   We may check your id each time you return and log the fact that you came in.
> 
> Sign in (more formal):  You must present your id, then sign a ledger affirming that you are in fact authorized to be there.  We'll check that signature against the one in our database, along with comparing your photo.  Signing the ledger binds you to a certain set of rules.  When you leave we may ask you to sign the ledger again affirming that you didn't break any of our rules...

I kind of agree to this ... "Log in", that's what you do with facebook,
twitter, etc, etc ... "Sign in", that's what you do when you're going to be
serious (as in business) ... but that's probably more my feeling of the
words than the real proper linguistic understanding.


David S.


> ----- Original Message -----
>> I've come across several discussions around whether to use "log in" or
>> "sign in" for an online site. I recently posted a list of which was
>> used
>> by some of our partners and competitors, and it made me wonder whether
>> sign in/login in are truly interchangeable or whether there's a
>> distinction.
>>
>> As an exercise, I imagined how the difference in tone and connotation
>> between the two might play out applied to a social event.
>>
>> What do you think?
>> http://red.ht/pPfin8
>>
>> Which do you think we should be using for the Customer Portal?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike Amburn
>> http://red.ht/mamburn
>>
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  Why am I getting all memo-list emails twice?

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On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:22:11AM -0400, Trevor McKay wrote:
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>   One year anniversary today and I still break out in a silly grin
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> company.  I hope to continue smiling for a very long time.
>=20
> Thank you all,

After nearly six years it's the same here. Red Hat FTW. :)

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On 08/16/2011 12:01 PM, Michael Waite wrote:
>  Why am I getting all memo-list emails twice?

Check your filter rules.Sometimes people cross-post over multiple lists, 
and if you're filtering on To:, Cc: to find the right folder for each 
mailing list, if a post comes to multiple lists it'll be put in the 
first-come rule, hence you'll get it put it in the same folder twice 
(and NOT in the folder for the secondary list etc).

It's safer to use the "List-Id" header variable. UNFORTUNATELY, there's 
a lot of posters who uses 'reply all' instead of replying to a list. 
This unfortunately kills the list-id on the mail that comes back to YOU 
instead of the list.  Another way is to construct your rules more 
carefully but as long as there is not a uniform way that everyone 
replies/uses mailing lists you'll have to be prepared to do some 
jiggling. For instance, have all the rules using list-id FIRST, then add 
"duplicate" rules for the mailing lists using cc:, to: filtering.

In the past I've had success with what Evolution calls Search Folders. 
Put all your mailing lists mail into one large folder, and create search 
patterns for each list. That way the post will appear in each of the 
search folders there's a hit on. It slows down things when you have a 
lot of mailing lists (like I think we all do here at Red hat) but it's 
better at organizing things.

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There is an option in Thunderbird which allows you to filter out 
duplicate emails with same content, if Thunderbird is able to safely 
determine the same.  Set it to value of 2.  Its under 
Tools->Options->Advanced and there you enter as shown below. Edit the 
value by double clicking and set it to 2 or use values as explained below.

  * - *0* if you want to load the duplicate mails as usual
  * -*1* if you want to delete automatically (and directly) emails
    duplicated once they have been approved.
  * - *2* if you want to duplicate the mail in the trash
  * - *3* if you want to mark the duplicate mails as "already read"





Raj Ramamoorthy
Middleware Solutions Architect | JBoss by Red Hat | Dallas, Texas
972-971-2810 | raj@redhat.com


On 8/16/2011 11:01 AM, Michael Waite wrote:
>  Why am I getting all memo-list emails twice?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Memo-list mailing list
> Memo-list@redhat.com
> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/memo-list

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    There is an option in Thunderbird which allows you to filter out
    duplicate emails with same content, if Thunderbird is able to safely
    determine the same.&nbsp; Set it to value of 2.&nbsp; Its under
    Tools-&gt;Options-&gt;Advanced and there you enter as shown below.
    Edit the value by double clicking and set it to 2 or use values as
    explained below.<br>
    <ul>
      <li>- <b>0</b> if you want to load the duplicate mails as usual </li>
      <li>-<b> 1</b> if you want to delete automatically (and directly)
        emails duplicated once they have been approved. </li>
      <li>- <b>2</b> if you want to duplicate the mail in the trash </li>
      <li>- <b>3</b> if you want to mark the duplicate mails as
        "already read"</li>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Raj Ramamoorthy
Middleware Solutions Architect | JBoss by Red Hat | Dallas, Texas
972-971-2810 | <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:raj@redhat.com">raj@redhat.com</a></pre>
    <br>
    On 8/16/2011 11:01 AM, Michael Waite wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:4E4A946B.8060808@redhat.com" type="cite">&nbsp;Why
      am I getting all memo-list emails twice?
      <br>
      <br>
      _______________________________________________
      <br>
      Memo-list mailing list
      <br>
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On 08/16/2011 06:01 PM, Michael Waite wrote:
>   Why am I getting all memo-list emails twice?

If CC is causing this check your mailman profile. There's an option to 
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Is anybody working on fixing all the internal websites whose SSL
certificates have expired in the past week?

(I'd complain to helpdesk, except I can no longer get to the pages that
would remind me how to contact them ... at least not without installing
an exception in firefox, which I'd rather not.)

			regards, tom lane

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Send an e-mail to servicedesk@redhat.com.

----- Original Message -----
> Is anybody working on fixing all the internal websites whose SSL
> certificates have expired in the past week?
> 
> (I'd complain to helpdesk, except I can no longer get to the pages
> that
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> regards, tom lane
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Jim Scarborough <jscarbor@redhat.com> writes:
> Send an e-mail to servicedesk@redhat.com.

Thanks for the reminder.  I found the problem though --- expired Red Hat
root cert that my browser somehow hung onto.  I guess that was
preventing it from accepting updated site certs, even though it also had
the current root cert ...

			regards, tom lane

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Another way to help eliminate duplicates: when you post to the list, set 
REPLY-TO (methods vary from one mail client to another) value to the 
list. Most, unfortunately not all, mail clients in use at RHT will 
respect this and only send the reply to the list. ,:\

I've done this on my message ... you can see the SMTP header entry in 
the message, and can test it in your client (click REPLY, it should be 
addressed to memo-list). HTH.

~Dbs

On 08/16/2011 12:01 PM, Michael Waite wrote:
>  Why am I getting all memo-list emails twice?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Memo-list mailing list
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> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/memo-list

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----- Original Message -----
> Another way to help eliminate duplicates: when you post to the list,
> set
> REPLY-TO (methods vary from one mail client to another) value to the
> list. Most, unfortunately not all, mail clients in use at RHT will
> respect this and only send the reply to the list. ,:\
> 

Any pointers on how to do this with Zimbra web client? The closest I can find is under Preferences -> Accounts, but that seems like it would apply to every email I send :-/

> I've done this on my message ... you can see the SMTP header entry in
> the message, and can test it in your client (click REPLY, it should be
> addressed to memo-list). HTH.
> 
> ~Dbs
> 
> On 08/16/2011 12:01 PM, Michael Waite wrote:
> >  Why am I getting all memo-list emails twice?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Memo-list mailing list
> > Memo-list@redhat.com
> > http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/memo-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Memo-list mailing list
> Memo-list@redhat.com
> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/memo-list

-- 

Andrew Ross
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A-ha! This is a new feature to me. They seem to still be  working on "reply-to" setting options for the Zimbra Web Client:

https://bugzilla.zimbra.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23413

I'm trying the "persona" function with this reply. Unfortunately, you'd have to create a persona for every list for which you'd want to set reply-to, but how many do you really need it for.... In this UI, I can select the persona (turn the custom reply-to on or off) as I compose. Let's see if it works..... (/Me crosses fingers.)


----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Ross" <anross@redhat.com>
> To: "Memo List" <memo-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:29:59 PM
> Subject: Re: 2x?
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Another way to help eliminate duplicates: when you post to the list,
> > set
> > REPLY-TO (methods vary from one mail client to another) value to the
> > list. Most, unfortunately not all, mail clients in use at RHT will
> > respect this and only send the reply to the list. ,:\
> >
> 
> Any pointers on how to do this with Zimbra web client? The closest I
> can find is under Preferences -> Accounts, but that seems like it
> would apply to every email I send :-/
> 
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Fantastic ! I guess Deepak Arora too volunteered on 17th of Aug when Annaji 
was in Tihar jail.



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Red Hatters Himanshu Garg, Santosh Kumar & Ashish Aggarwal (behind the 
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Here goes the difference between Jan Lok pal bill & Lok Pal Bill.  Also 
remember that there few more draft Lok Pal bill designed by other 
members of civil society.

Brgrds/H


On 08/20/2011 11:06 AM, Jagjit Arora wrote:
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> Fantastic ! I guess Deepak Arora too volunteered on 17th of Aug when 
> Annaji was in Tihar jail.
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> Hi,
>
> Red Hatters Himanshu Garg, Santosh Kumar & Ashish Aggarwal (behind the 
> camera) being counted in India's anti-corruption movement with the 
> Gandhi quote that we are all too familiar with.
>
> We support Anna Hazare
>
>
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Here goes the difference between Jan Lok pal bill &amp; Lok Pal Bill. 
Also remember that there few more draft Lok Pal bill designed by other
members of civil society. <br>
<br>
Brgrds/H<br>
<br>
<br>
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Hi,<br>
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Gandhi quote that we are all too familiar with.<br>
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Bravo!  Great leadership!



On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:36 AM, "Jagjit Arora" <jarora@redhat.com> wrote:

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<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Bravo! &nbsp;Great leadership!<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:36 AM, "Jagjit Arora" &lt;<a href="mailto:jarora@redhat.com">jarora@redhat.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<br><br>Fantastic ! I guess Deepak Arora too volunteered on 17th of Aug when Annaji was in Tihar jail.<br><br></font></div>
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On 08/19/2011 11:39 PM, David Huff wrote:
> Is this available anywhere if we missed it?

David,

the LC site reads "RECORDINGS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE IN TWO WEEKS". We 
should check it next month. I am interested as well.

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Hi!

On 2011-08-22 18:54, Michael Tiemann wrote:
> Here's a paraphrase of what I tell people in New Hire Orientation:
> 
>    What is needed is radically different management
>   
> <http://blogs.forbes.com/stevedenning/2011/07/08/the-five-big-surprises-of-radical-management/>
> 
>    that has continuous innovation built into its DNA, with a different
>    goal (delighting the customer), a different role for managers
>    (enabling teams), a different of coordinating work (dynamic linking)
>    and different values (continuous improvement and radical
>    transparency) and different communications (horizontal
>    conversations). A single fix is not enough: we need systemic change
>   
> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/05/12/reinventing-management-requires-systemic-change/>.

How do we foster innovation at Red Hat? How do we exchange ideas and
expose people to new thinking? Where's the "I've got an idea" bucket
where people can drop random ideas they think might be worth inspecting
more but don't have enough skills/time to do it by themselves? Sending
an email to one's manager isn't usually the best of ideas, s/he's
probably even more busy than the person with the idea.

Being completely honest with you, at least 90% of my personal ideas turn
out to be embarrassingly silly in the end. But there are few good ones
every now and then. And if I'm exposed to the stream of ideas flowing by
from other people, they might spark a new, related idea, perhaps
something to do with a completely different topic than the original one.
Or I might be able to implement the idea someone else has envisioned. Or
I could pick up one interesting looking idea and point it to someone
else whom I know to have been wondering something in that area.

At a customer there's a simple intranet portal where people can drop any
kind of idea, ranging from strategic business moves to being slightly
more environment friendly by using personal cups instead of paper cups.
Everyone can then inspect, comment, and vote on ideas, if an idea gets
enough votes someone will inspect in more detail. I think most of us are
a bit shy to post some random idea to memo-list so such a portal might
present much lower barrier to participate.

In a previous company for a department of ~500 people there was even a
dedicated Innovation Manager who was tasked to fertilize idea rich
discussions, implementation of the most relevant ideas, and reward those
ideas which lead to something concrete, business benefiting activity
(usually meaning some new service or other offering to customers).

Much of this innovation happens of course naturally part of upstream
development projects but not all we are doing can be presented as code.
And some of the ideas might be best to digest and refine internally
first. That's of course happening already within different teams but
they're usually focusing on their own areas of expertise.

There have been few posts where feedback on our business strategy or
other such things have been solicited in blog postings. But if someone
comes up with a related idea 6 months later I think there's no clear
venue to present that.

What do you think? How can we foster innovation within Red Hat? Are we
using the cathedral model for innovation within the company or have we
already entered to the golden age of collaborative innovation? Is there
still some room for improvement for more active staff participation and
efficient harvesting of the best ideas?

Thanks,

-- 
Marko Myllynen

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On Mon, 2011-08-22 at 19:33 +0300, Marko Myllynen wrote:
> At a customer there's a simple intranet portal where people can drop any
> kind of idea, ranging from strategic business moves to being slightly
> more environment friendly by using personal cups instead of paper cups.
> Everyone can then inspect, comment, and vote on ideas, if an idea gets
> enough votes someone will inspect in more detail. I think most of us are
> a bit shy to post some random idea to memo-list so such a portal might
> present much lower barrier to participate.

We had an idea for something similar a while back (I think ~2007?):

http://intranet.corp.redhat.com/ic/intranet/InnovatorsDilemma.html

There's a lot of notes / ideas / discussion there that might be interesting to you?

> There have been few posts where feedback on our business strategy or
> other such things have been solicited in blog postings. But if someone
> comes up with a related idea 6 months later I think there's no clear
> venue to present that.

I agree it would be nice to have the ideas be more live or at least a
collection area where over time when related things pop up (like this
idea :) ) can be cross-referenced together with other information (like
the wiki above :) ) so it's not starting from scratch every time.

~m

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Dne 22.8.2011 18:33, Marko Myllynen napsal(a):
> What do you think? How can we foster innovation within Red Hat? Are we
> using the cathedral model for innovation within the company or have we
> already entered to the golden age of collaborative innovation? Is there=

> still some room for improvement for more active staff participation and=

> efficient harvesting of the best ideas?

Are you asking this on memo-list, the place where weird ideas are=20
evaluated and fostered (or festered)?

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apply himself at intervals to manual labour by a vision of an
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Have anyone here managed to use twinkle to get into our InterCall
conference calls? After dialing the access number, one need to dial the
bridge number and the "pound or hash sign". Is there a simple way to
emit dial tones into the line?

(I'm an utter telephony newbie, I know.)

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:02:46AM -0400, Doug Grove wrote:
> I was eventually able to get twinkle 1.4.2 working with ALSA sound.
> Also, I mated my headset with the laptop and use it for calls.  
> 
> My experience - the configuration instructions on docspace are seriously
> out of date.  Also, the configuration information provided in the
> SIP/Softphone response email is out of date as well.
> 
> Fortunately, the guy that came around the other day to install some
> Cisco SIP desk phones was very knowledgeable.  He got my extension
> working as well as the voicemail and the PSTN (external line) calls all
> working.  I was very impressed.
> 
> Probably doesn't help all that much - the really good IT guy got mine
> working - but there you are.
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 14:45 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > Looking for a SIP phone which works with our internal softphone
> > system.  Starting with the list here
> > http://www.pernau.at/kd/voip/bookmarks-sip-phones.html I have so far
> > tried ...
> > 
> > Twinkle:
> 
> > Seems to be abandoned upstream.  Latest version (1.4.2-9.fc15) has
> > quite a different configuration layout compared to the screenshots on
> > the helpdesk site.  After much experimentation I was able to make it
> > register with our SIP server.  However the sound does not work
> > (apparently it hasn't been ported to use PulseAudio or else it doesn't
> > work for some other reason).  Using 'pasuspend' causes it to hang.
> > 
> > Ekiga:
> > 
> > Segfaults on start up (RHBZ#683872).
> > 
> > Empathy + telepathy-sofiasip plugin:
> > 
> > Was able to register with the SIP server, but was unable to make any
> > calls.  Just said "Connecting ..." before hanging.
> > 
> > Linphone:
> > 
> > I wasn't able to enter our server details into the configuration
> > dialog.  It appears it's unable to deal with remote SIP servers or
> > something odd like that.
> > 
> > MiniSIP: Not packaged for Fedora.
> > KPhone: Not packaged for Fedora.
> > SJPhone: Upstream gone?
> > Vovida: Didn't try.
> > Siphon: Very long dead upstream.
> > SUA: Very long dead upstream.
> > 
> > Any ideas ...?  Maybe there's some sort of physical device I can use,
> > although it would need to be able to get onto the VPN somehow.
> > 
> > Rich.
> > 
> 
> 
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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 01:51:18AM +0300, Dan Kenigsberg wrote:
> Have anyone here managed to use twinkle to get into our InterCall
> conference calls? After dialing the access number, one need to dial the
> bridge number and the "pound or hash sign". Is there a simple way to
> emit dial tones into the line?

Hi Dan,

I have managed to get twinkle to work with InterCall, although
people's experience with twinkle seems to very widely.  Try asking on
the softphone-users mailing list; you'll reach a more targeted
audience.

Dave

> (I'm an utter telephony newbie, I know.)
> 
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:02:46AM -0400, Doug Grove wrote:
> > I was eventually able to get twinkle 1.4.2 working with ALSA sound.
> > Also, I mated my headset with the laptop and use it for calls.  
> > 
> > My experience - the configuration instructions on docspace are seriously
> > out of date.  Also, the configuration information provided in the
> > SIP/Softphone response email is out of date as well.
> > 
> > Fortunately, the guy that came around the other day to install some
> > Cisco SIP desk phones was very knowledgeable.  He got my extension
> > working as well as the voicemail and the PSTN (external line) calls all
> > working.  I was very impressed.
> > 
> > Probably doesn't help all that much - the really good IT guy got mine
> > working - but there you are.
> > 
> > Doug
> > 
> > On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 14:45 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > > Looking for a SIP phone which works with our internal softphone
> > > system.  Starting with the list here
> > > http://www.pernau.at/kd/voip/bookmarks-sip-phones.html I have so far
> > > tried ...
> > > 
> > > Twinkle:
> > 
> > > Seems to be abandoned upstream.  Latest version (1.4.2-9.fc15) has
> > > quite a different configuration layout compared to the screenshots on
> > > the helpdesk site.  After much experimentation I was able to make it
> > > register with our SIP server.  However the sound does not work
> > > (apparently it hasn't been ported to use PulseAudio or else it doesn't
> > > work for some other reason).  Using 'pasuspend' causes it to hang.
> > > 
> > > Ekiga:
> > > 
> > > Segfaults on start up (RHBZ#683872).
> > > 
> > > Empathy + telepathy-sofiasip plugin:
> > > 
> > > Was able to register with the SIP server, but was unable to make any
> > > calls.  Just said "Connecting ..." before hanging.
> > > 
> > > Linphone:
> > > 
> > > I wasn't able to enter our server details into the configuration
> > > dialog.  It appears it's unable to deal with remote SIP servers or
> > > something odd like that.
> > > 
> > > MiniSIP: Not packaged for Fedora.
> > > KPhone: Not packaged for Fedora.
> > > SJPhone: Upstream gone?
> > > Vovida: Didn't try.
> > > Siphon: Very long dead upstream.
> > > SUA: Very long dead upstream.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas ...?  Maybe there's some sort of physical device I can use,
> > > although it would need to be able to get onto the VPN somehow.
> > > 
> > > Rich.
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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----- Original Message -----
> Hi!
> 
> On 2011-08-22 18:54, Michael Tiemann wrote:
> > Here's a paraphrase of what I tell people in New Hire Orientation:
> >
> >    What is needed is radically different management
> >
> > <http://blogs.forbes.com/stevedenning/2011/07/08/the-five-big-surprises-of-radical-management/>
> >
> >    that has continuous innovation built into its DNA, with a
> >    different
> >    goal (delighting the customer), a different role for managers
> >    (enabling teams), a different of coordinating work (dynamic
> >    linking)
> >    and different values (continuous improvement and radical
> >    transparency) and different communications (horizontal
> >    conversations). A single fix is not enough: we need systemic
> >    change
> >
> > <http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/05/12/reinventing-management-requires-systemic-change/>.
> 
> How do we foster innovation at Red Hat? How do we exchange ideas and
> expose people to new thinking? Where's the "I've got an idea" bucket
> where people can drop random ideas they think might be worth
> inspecting
> more but don't have enough skills/time to do it by themselves? Sending
> an email to one's manager isn't usually the best of ideas, s/he's
> probably even more busy than the person with the idea.
> 
> Being completely honest with you, at least 90% of my personal ideas
> turn
> out to be embarrassingly silly in the end. But there are few good ones
> every now and then. And if I'm exposed to the stream of ideas flowing
> by
> from other people, they might spark a new, related idea, perhaps
> something to do with a completely different topic than the original
> one.
> Or I might be able to implement the idea someone else has envisioned.
> Or
> I could pick up one interesting looking idea and point it to someone
> else whom I know to have been wondering something in that area.
> 
> At a customer there's a simple intranet portal where people can drop
> any
> kind of idea, 


At some point it might be interesting to set up 

http://pligg.com/

Which would allow people (anonymous too) to submit 'ideas' of any sort 
and folks could 'vote' them up or down, etc. 

-Chris




> ranging from strategic business moves to being slightly
> more environment friendly by using personal cups instead of paper
> cups.
> Everyone can then inspect, comment, and vote on ideas, if an idea gets
> enough votes someone will inspect in more detail. I think most of us
> are
> a bit shy to post some random idea to memo-list so such a portal might
> present much lower barrier to participate.
> 
> In a previous company for a department of ~500 people there was even a
> dedicated Innovation Manager who was tasked to fertilize idea rich
> discussions, implementation of the most relevant ideas, and reward
> those
> ideas which lead to something concrete, business benefiting activity
> (usually meaning some new service or other offering to customers).
> 
> Much of this innovation happens of course naturally part of upstream
> development projects but not all we are doing can be presented as
> code.
> And some of the ideas might be best to digest and refine internally
> first. That's of course happening already within different teams but
> they're usually focusing on their own areas of expertise.
> 
> There have been few posts where feedback on our business strategy or
> other such things have been solicited in blog postings. But if someone
> comes up with a related idea 6 months later I think there's no clear
> venue to present that.
> 
> What do you think? How can we foster innovation within Red Hat? Are we
> using the cathedral model for innovation within the company or have we
> already entered to the golden age of collaborative innovation? Is
> there
> still some room for improvement for more active staff participation
> and
> efficient harvesting of the best ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Marko Myllynen
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Memo-list mailing list
> Memo-list@redhat.com
> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/memo-list

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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 01:51:18 +0300, Dan Kenigsberg wrote:
> Have anyone here managed to use twinkle to get into our InterCall
> conference calls?

I've used it on occasion.

> After dialing the access number, one need to dial the bridge number and
> the "pound or hash sign". Is there a simple way to emit dial tones into
> the line?

You can enter them using Call -> Dtmf.

> (I'm an utter telephony newbie, I know.)

The sip-users@redhat.com list is probably a better place for questions like
these.

HTH,
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On 08/23/2011 03:05 PM, Chris Ward wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Hi!
>>
>> On 2011-08-22 18:54, Michael Tiemann wrote:
>>> Here's a paraphrase of what I tell people in New Hire Orientation:
>>>
>>>     What is needed is radically different management
>>>
>>> <http://blogs.forbes.com/stevedenning/2011/07/08/the-five-big-surprises-of-radical-management/>
>>>
>>>     that has continuous innovation built into its DNA, with a
>>>     different
>>>     goal (delighting the customer), a different role for managers
>>>     (enabling teams), a different of coordinating work (dynamic
>>>     linking)
>>>     and different values (continuous improvement and radical
>>>     transparency) and different communications (horizontal
>>>     conversations). A single fix is not enough: we need systemic
>>>     change
>>>
>>> <http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/05/12/reinventing-management-requires-systemic-change/>.
>> How do we foster innovation at Red Hat? How do we exchange ideas and
>> expose people to new thinking? Where's the "I've got an idea" bucket
>> where people can drop random ideas they think might be worth
>> inspecting
>> more but don't have enough skills/time to do it by themselves? Sending
>> an email to one's manager isn't usually the best of ideas, s/he's
>> probably even more busy than the person with the idea.
>>
>> Being completely honest with you, at least 90% of my personal ideas
>> turn
>> out to be embarrassingly silly in the end. But there are few good ones
>> every now and then. And if I'm exposed to the stream of ideas flowing
>> by
>> from other people, they might spark a new, related idea, perhaps
>> something to do with a completely different topic than the original
>> one.
>> Or I might be able to implement the idea someone else has envisioned.
>> Or
>> I could pick up one interesting looking idea and point it to someone
>> else whom I know to have been wondering something in that area.
>>
>> At a customer there's a simple intranet portal where people can drop
>> any
>> kind of idea,
>
> At some point it might be interesting to set up
>
> http://pligg.com/
>
> Which would allow people (anonymous too) to submit 'ideas' of any sort
> and folks could 'vote' them up or down, etc.
>
> -Chris
>

This is very interesting and meaningful . While , if have such internal 
web app , it will be more effectively to share and fertilize ideas :)

Jing

>
>
>> ranging from strategic business moves to being slightly
>> more environment friendly by using personal cups instead of paper
>> cups.
>> Everyone can then inspect, comment, and vote on ideas, if an idea gets
>> enough votes someone will inspect in more detail. I think most of us
>> are
>> a bit shy to post some random idea to memo-list so such a portal might
>> present much lower barrier to participate.
>>
>> In a previous company for a department of ~500 people there was even a
>> dedicated Innovation Manager who was tasked to fertilize idea rich
>> discussions, implementation of the most relevant ideas, and reward
>> those
>> ideas which lead to something concrete, business benefiting activity
>> (usually meaning some new service or other offering to customers).
>>
>> Much of this innovation happens of course naturally part of upstream
>> development projects but not all we are doing can be presented as
>> code.
>> And some of the ideas might be best to digest and refine internally
>> first. That's of course happening already within different teams but
>> they're usually focusing on their own areas of expertise.
>>
>> There have been few posts where feedback on our business strategy or
>> other such things have been solicited in blog postings. But if someone
>> comes up with a related idea 6 months later I think there's no clear
>> venue to present that.
>>
>> What do you think? How can we foster innovation within Red Hat? Are we
>> using the cathedral model for innovation within the company or have we
>> already entered to the golden age of collaborative innovation? Is
>> there
>> still some room for improvement for more active staff participation
>> and
>> efficient harvesting of the best ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Marko Myllynen
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Memo-list mailing list
>> Memo-list@redhat.com
>> http://post-office.corp.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/memo-list


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On 08/23/2011 02:41 AM, Dave Allan wrote:
> Have anyone here managed to use twinkle to get into our InterCall
>>  conference calls? After dialing the access number, one need to dial the
>>  bridge number and the "pound or hash sign". Is there a simple way to
>>  emit dial tones into the line?

I ah happy user of Twinkle. You need to put focus into the main (log?) 
window, then you can dial your numbers in, including the pound sign. Do 
it slowly.

You can also automate dialing using this command:

# twinkle --call "sip:9800701035@ccm-sub1.ipt.str.redhat.com" 
--immediate && sleep 8s && twinkle --cmd "dtmf 7682743875#"

Calls the InterCall number, waits 8 seconds, sends DTMF code and pound 
sign. Very cool, isn't it? However, you need to change your InterCall 
number and maybe the sip address.

-- 
Later,

  Lukas Zapletal | E32E400A
  RHN Satellite Engineering
  Red Hat Czech s.r.o. Brno

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Thats great but still is not a great client :( keypad for dtmf entry of passcodes is the bare minimum :(

XTen Lite anyone ?

Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lukas Zapletal" <lzap@redhat.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011 1:17:02 PM
Subject: Re: SIP phone

On 08/23/2011 02:41 AM, Dave Allan wrote:
> Have anyone here managed to use twinkle to get into our InterCall
>>  conference calls? After dialing the access number, one need to dial the
>>  bridge number and the "pound or hash sign". Is there a simple way to
>>  emit dial tones into the line?

I ah happy user of Twinkle. You need to put focus into the main (log?) 
window, then you can dial your numbers in, including the pound sign. Do 
it slowly.

You can also automate dialing using this command:

# twinkle --call "sip:9800701035@ccm-sub1.ipt.str.redhat.com" 
--immediate && sleep 8s && twinkle --cmd "dtmf 7682743875#"

Calls the InterCall number, waits 8 seconds, sends DTMF code and pound 
sign. Very cool, isn't it? However, you need to change your InterCall 
number and maybe the sip address.

-- 
Later,

  Lukas Zapletal | E32E400A
  RHN Satellite Engineering
  Red Hat Czech s.r.o. Brno

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On 08/23/2011 08:25 AM, Richard Morrell wrote:
> Thats great but still is not a great client :( keypad for dtmf entry of passcodes is the bare minimum :(
>
> XTen Lite anyone ?
>
> Richard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lukas Zapletal"<lzap@redhat.com>
> To: memo-list@redhat.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011 1:17:02 PM
> Subject: Re: SIP phone
>
> On 08/23/2011 02:41 AM, Dave Allan wrote:
>> Have anyone here managed to use twinkle to get into our InterCall
>>>   conference calls? After dialing the access number, one need to dial the
>>>   bridge number and the "pound or hash sign". Is there a simple way to
>>>   emit dial tones into the line?
> I ah happy user of Twinkle. You need to put focus into the main (log?)
> window, then you can dial your numbers in, including the pound sign. Do
> it slowly.
>
> You can also automate dialing using this command:
>
> # twinkle --call "sip:9800701035@ccm-sub1.ipt.str.redhat.com"
> --immediate&&  sleep 8s&&  twinkle --cmd "dtmf 7682743875#"
>
> Calls the InterCall number, waits 8 seconds, sends DTMF code and pound
> sign. Very cool, isn't it? However, you need to change your InterCall
> number and maybe the sip address.
>
Now that is cool.  If only Red Hat's VOIP solution worked well over VPN, I would automate most of my regularly scheduled conference calls this way, so I would never be late on a call again.

Bill

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On 08/23/2011 03:02 PM, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> Now that is cool.  If only Red Hat's VOIP solution worked well over VPN,
> I would automate most of my regularly scheduled conference calls this
> way, so I would never be late on a call again.

Frankly, due to stability I am calling InterCall via my private VoIP 
operator and using RH VoIP over VPN only for direct RH-RH calls. Twinkle 
works great for both.

During ITOps Q&A meeting in Brno, I've heard there are some plans for 
VoIP w/o VPN.

-- 
Later,

  Lukas Zapletal | E32E400A
  RHN Satellite Engineering
  Red Hat Czech s.r.o. Brno

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I'm not a Twinkle expert - but I did find through some trial and error, 
that you don't have to click on the numbers in the DTMF window. You can 
use the keyboard to enter the tones too. My biggest issue is that you 
cannot hear the key tone so you don't get a confirmation that it was heard.

Peter Larsen

On 08/23/2011 08:25 AM, Richard Morrell wrote:
> Thats great but still is not a great client :( keypad for dtmf entry of passcodes is the bare minimum :(
>
> XTen Lite anyone ?
>
> Richard
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lukas Zapletal"<lzap@redhat.com>
> To: memo-list@redhat.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011 1:17:02 PM
> Subject: Re: SIP phone
>
> On 08/23/2011 02:41 AM, Dave Allan wrote:
>> Have anyone here managed to use twinkle to get into our InterCall
>>>   conference calls? After dialing the access number, one need to dial the
>>>   bridge number and the "pound or hash sign". Is there a simple way to
>>>   emit dial tones into the line?
> I ah happy user of Twinkle. You need to put focus into the main (log?)
> window, then you can dial your numbers in, including the pound sign. Do
> it slowly.
>
> You can also automate dialing using this command:
>
> # twinkle --call "sip:9800701035@ccm-sub1.ipt.str.redhat.com"
> --immediate&&  sleep 8s&&  twinkle --cmd "dtmf 7682743875#"
>
> Calls the InterCall number, waits 8 seconds, sends DTMF code and pound
> sign. Very cool, isn't it? However, you need to change your InterCall
> number and maybe the sip address.

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I've been using XTen Lite and Twinkle (and Linphone in the past) with Sipgate since 2004. Before that was a solid OpenH323 user for years.

----- Original Message -----
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On 08/23/2011 03:02 PM, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> Now that is cool.  If only Red Hat's VOIP solution worked well over VPN,
> I would automate most of my regularly scheduled conference calls this
> way, so I would never be late on a call again.

Frankly, due to stability I am calling InterCall via my private VoIP 
operator and using RH VoIP over VPN only for direct RH-RH calls. Twinkle 
works great for both.

During ITOps Q&A meeting in Brno, I've heard there are some plans for 
VoIP w/o VPN.

-- 
Later,

  Lukas Zapletal | E32E400A
  RHN Satellite Engineering
  Red Hat Czech s.r.o. Brno

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Hi,

In case you did not see it yet https://home.corp.redhat.com/node/66510

-- Buddy

----- Ursprüngliche Mail -----
> Von: "Richard Morrell" <rmm@redhat.com>
> An: "Lukas Zapletal" <lzap@redhat.com>
> CC: memo-list@redhat.com
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. August 2011 15:16:50
> Betreff: Re: SIP phone
> I've been using XTen Lite and Twinkle (and Linphone in the past) with
> Sipgate since 2004. Before that was a solid OpenH323 user for years.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lukas Zapletal" <lzap@redhat.com>
> To: memo-list@redhat.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 August, 2011 2:10:24 PM
> Subject: Re: SIP phone
> 
> On 08/23/2011 03:02 PM, Bill C Riemers wrote:
> > Now that is cool. If only Red Hat's VOIP solution worked well over
> > VPN,
> > I would automate most of my regularly scheduled conference calls
> > this
> > way, so I would never be late on a call again.
> 
> Frankly, due to stability I am calling InterCall via my private VoIP
> operator and using RH VoIP over VPN only for direct RH-RH calls.
> Twinkle
> works great for both.
> 
> During ITOps Q&A meeting in Brno, I've heard there are some plans for
> VoIP w/o VPN.
> 
> --
> Later,
> 
> Lukas Zapletal | E32E400A
> RHN Satellite Engineering
> Red Hat Czech s.r.o. Brno
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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 02:17:02PM +0200, Lukas Zapletal wrote:
> On 08/23/2011 02:41 AM, Dave Allan wrote:
> >Have anyone here managed to use twinkle to get into our InterCall
> >> conference calls? After dialing the access number, one need to dial the
> >> bridge number and the "pound or hash sign". Is there a simple way to
> >> emit dial tones into the line?
> 
> I ah happy user of Twinkle. You need to put focus into the main
> (log?) window, then you can dial your numbers in, including the
> pound sign. Do it slowly.
> 
> You can also automate dialing using this command:
> 
> # twinkle --call "sip:9800701035@ccm-sub1.ipt.str.redhat.com"
> --immediate && sleep 8s && twinkle --cmd "dtmf 7682743875#"
> 
> Calls the InterCall number, waits 8 seconds, sends DTMF code and
> pound sign. Very cool, isn't it? However, you need to change your
> InterCall number and maybe the sip address.

Adopted! Thanks.

(yeah, I should have tried typing the digits or twinkle --help-cli
before asking you guys...)

Dan.

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Hello,

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There is contact info on this page:

http://www.redhat.com/partners/hardwarepartners/

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> 
> someone from Supermicro here in EMEA wants to know who to contact @ RHT wrt to HW certifications.
> 
> Werner
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The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office =
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issue for those of us that work remote.  You'd think that a company our =
size and global at that...that we'd have an application that included =
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On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote:
> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office
> phone numbers. All it lists is office extensions!! That is a real issue
> for those of us that work remote. You'd think that a company our size
> and global at that...that we'd have an application that included all
> employees office phone numbers. Makes it very difficult to converse with
> someone when you can't find out how to reach them.

If you fill out your profile, you can add both mobile and external 
numbers.  For example...

https://home.corp.redhat.com/user/cbredese

-CB

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On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:49:07 -0400
Joan Richards <jrichard@redhat.com> wrote:

> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office
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> issue for those of us that work remote.  You'd think that a company
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> to converse with someone when you can't find out how to reach them.  

This link may be of use to you then.

Red Hat Telephony: Extension to Direct Dial Mapping
 - https://home.corp.redhat.com/node/45687

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Unfortunately not everyone is as diligent as you in completing their =
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Cloud Business Unit
Cell  614.946.8277
Office 614.824.5050



On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:

> On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote:
>> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office
>> phone numbers. All it lists is office extensions!! That is a real =
issue
>> for those of us that work remote. You'd think that a company our size
>> and global at that...that we'd have an application that included all
>> employees office phone numbers. Makes it very difficult to converse =
with
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>=20
> If you fill out your profile, you can add both mobile and external =
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Thanks Matthew...that does help!


Joan Richards
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Cloud Business Unit
Cell  614.946.8277
Office 614.824.5050



On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Matthew Davis wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:49:07 -0400
> Joan Richards <jrichard@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office
>> phone numbers.  All it lists is office extensions!!  That is a real
>> issue for those of us that work remote.  You'd think that a company
>> our size and global at that...that we'd have an application that
>> included all employees office phone numbers.  Makes it very difficult
>> to converse with someone when you can't find out how to reach them.  
> 
> This link may be of use to you then.
> 
> Red Hat Telephony: Extension to Direct Dial Mapping
> - https://home.corp.redhat.com/node/45687
> 
> -- 
> Matthew Davis, RHCA
> Solutions Architect
> O: 919.754.4380
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if you need to - use the old roster, the info in it is way better from
my experience.



On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote:
> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office
> phone numbers.  All it lists is office extensions!!  That is a real
> issue for those of us that work remote.  You'd think that a company
> our size and global at that...that we'd have an application that
> included all employees office phone numbers.  Makes it very difficult
> to converse with someone when you can't find out how to reach them.  
>
>
> Joan Richards
> Red Hat Inc
> Sr. Manager, Product Marketing
> Cloud Business Unit
> Cell  614.946.8277
> Office 614.824.5050
>
>
>
>
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Sad but true!  It sure would be nice if everyone updated the new roster
verses flipping between the two. 

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> On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote:
>> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office
>> phone numbers.  All it lists is office extensions!!  That is a real
>> issue for those of us that work remote.  You'd think that a company
>> our size and global at that...that we'd have an application that
>> included all employees office phone numbers.  Makes it very difficult
>> to converse with someone when you can't find out how to reach them.  
>>
>>
>> Joan Richards
>> Red Hat Inc
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        remote. &nbsp;You'd think that a company our size and global at
        that...that we'd have an application that included all employees
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        someone when you can't find out how to reach them. &nbsp;<br>
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On 08/24/2011 02:55 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
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> if you need to - use the old roster, the info in it is way better from 
> my experience.
I don't use the new roster very much either as it is dependent on 
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The old Intranet most always has the info I am looking for.
>
>
>
> On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote:
>> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office 
>> phone numbers.  All it lists is office extensions!!  That is a real 
>> issue for those of us that work remote.  You'd think that a company 
>> our size and global at that...that we'd have an application that 
>> included all employees office phone numbers.  Makes it very difficult 
>> to converse with someone when you can't find out how to reach them.
>>
>>
>> Joan Richards
>> Red Hat Inc
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> I don't use the new roster very much either as it is dependent on
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> The old Intranet most always has the info I am looking for.

Too bad this data wasn't migrated.  Having two systems in play for the 
same data set is confusing at best.

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I agree, Chris. It would be nice if the data was migrated over.

Chris Cardwell
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Global Support Services
Red Hat - North America Office
ccardwel@redhat.com


On 08/24/2011 03:32 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> On 08/24/2011 03:35 PM, Michael Waite wrote:
>>
>> On 08/24/2011 02:55 PM, Carl Trieloff wrote:
>>>
>>> if you need to - use the old roster, the info in it is way better from
>>> my experience.
>> I don't use the new roster very much either as it is dependent on
>> pemployees adding their information.
>> The old Intranet most always has the info I am looking for.
>
> Too bad this data wasn't migrated.  Having two systems in play for the 
> same data set is confusing at best.
>
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This is a great opportunity to request any and all staff to please log in to the new intranet, click your userid in the upper right header, and click "Edit" (followed by the "Profile Information" link) to update the information in your intranet profile. Joan isn't the only associate who relies upon the intranet roster to look up and contact colleagues. 

https://home.corp.redhat.com/user/login 

Some fields cannot be edited, that's okay as they're drawn from enterprise systems (contact servicedesk@redhat.com if something is incorrect ), but most of the fields Joan refers to can be, and perhaps ought to be, filled in. It only takes a moment, you only need your kerberos userid and password (same as e-mail) to login. 

Thanks for the reminder, Joan. ,:) 



~Dbs 

On 08/24/2011 01:59 PM, Joan Richards wrote: 

Unfortunately not everyone is as diligent as you in completing their profile. 






Joan Richards 
Red Hat Inc 
Sr. Manager, Product Marketing 
Cloud Business Unit 
Cell 614.946.8277 
Office 614.824.5050 





On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote: 



On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote: 


The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office 


phone numbers. All it lists is office extensions!! That is a real issue 


for those of us that work remote. You'd think that a company our size 


and global at that...that we'd have an application that included all 


employees office phone numbers. Makes it very difficult to converse with 


someone when you can't find out how to reach them. 



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<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>&nbsp;<font face="Liberation Sans">This is a great opportunity to request
      any and all staff to please log in to the new intranet, click your
      userid in the upper right header, and click "Edit" (followed by
      the "Profile Information" link) to update the information in your
      intranet profile. Joan isn't the only associate who relies upon
      the intranet roster to look up and contact colleagues. <br>
      <br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://home.corp.redhat.com/user/login" target="_blank">https://home.corp.redhat.com/user/login</a><br>
      <br>
      Some fields cannot be edited, that's okay as they're drawn from
      enterprise systems (contact <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:servicedesk@redhat.com" target="_blank">servicedesk@redhat.com</a> if something is
      incorrect</font>), but most of the fields Joan refers to can be,
    and perhaps ought to be, filled in. It only takes a moment, you only
    need your kerberos userid and password (same as e-mail) to login. <br>
    <br>
    Thanks for the reminder, Joan. ,:) <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    ~Dbs<br>
    <br>
    On 08/24/2011 01:59 PM, Joan Richards wrote:
    <blockquote cite="mid:CEA3D340-3B2D-43D9-A98E-48B281ABCEF8@redhat.com">Unfortunately not everyone is as diligent as you in
      completing their profile.&nbsp;<br>
      <div>
        <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;">
            <div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;">
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                  <br>
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                <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Joan Richards<br>
                  Red Hat Inc<br>
                  Sr. Manager, Product Marketing</div>
                <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">Cloud Business Unit<br>
                  Cell &nbsp;614.946.8277<br>
                  Office 614.824.5050<br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                </div>
              </span></div>
          </span></span>
      </div>
      <br>
      <div>
        <div>On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:</div>
        <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
        <blockquote>
          <div>On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote:<br>
            <blockquote>The new Intranet Staff Roster does
              not list out individual's office<br>
            </blockquote>
            <blockquote>phone numbers. All it lists is
              office extensions!! That is a real issue<br>
            </blockquote>
            <blockquote>for those of us that work remote.
              You'd think that a company our size<br>
            </blockquote>
            <blockquote>and global at that...that we'd have
              an application that included all<br>
            </blockquote>
            <blockquote>employees office phone numbers.
              Makes it very difficult to converse with<br>
            </blockquote>
            <blockquote>someone when you can't find out how
              to reach them.<br>
            </blockquote>
            <br>
          </div>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
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In response to the recent comments about the staff roster concerns, specially the phone numbers, we hear you. 

The Enterprise IT Services team has been discussing this concern for the past month. The plan has been to address this as part of the larger LDAP/user identification work. A meeting is already scheduled to begin this. I also understand there was a lengthy discussion that took place last March that lead to the decision to have the current format. Part of it was to not overload people with too many phone numbers. The introduction of a "external number" was thought to alleviate the need for so many. There is some history that will help us make this a better experience for the Intranet users.

We will keep you posted on the progress being made. In the meantime, it would be most helpful if you could take a moment and update the External Number field in your profile. After signing on, click on your user name at the top, right corner. Under Edit, then Profile Information, you will find External Number. By adding the full phone number, including country code, in which you prefer to be contacted, this would be appreciated by me and all the associates. 


Regards,

Tracy Harris
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Red Hat, Inc.
Office: 919-890-8324

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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:49 -0400, David Spalding wrote:
> Some fields cannot be edited, that's okay as they're drawn from
> enterprise systems (contact servicedesk@redhat.com if something is
> incorrect), but most of the fields Joan refers to can be, and perhaps
> ought to be, filled in. It only takes a moment, you only need your
> kerberos userid and password (same as e-mail) to login. 

While that's a good idea, wouldn't it be even better to have the data
pulled from the authoritative source so it doesn't need updating?

I can search the corporate phone directory on my desk phone, so the data
already exists. We just need to get it into the staff roster.

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On Aug 24, 2011, at 3:32 PM, James 'Doc' Livingston wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:49 -0400, David Spalding wrote:
>> Some fields cannot be edited, that's okay as they're drawn from
>> enterprise systems (contact servicedesk@redhat.com if something is
>> incorrect), but most of the fields Joan refers to can be, and perhaps
>> ought to be, filled in. It only takes a moment, you only need your
>> kerberos userid and password (same as e-mail) to login. 
> 
> While that's a good idea, wouldn't it be even better to have the data
> pulled from the authoritative source so it doesn't need updating?
> 
> I can search the corporate phone directory on my desk phone, so the data
> already exists. We just need to get it into the staff roster.


This is what I've been arguing for a while.  Expecting employees to keep updating this as details change, or expecting new employees to update this duplicate data is wrong.

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Totally agree...this should be automated. And while we're discussing this, can everyone please take 30 seconds and update their profiles ;)?

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----- Original Message -----
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To: "James 'Doc' Livingston" <jlivings@redhat.com>
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On Aug 24, 2011, at 3:32 PM, James 'Doc' Livingston wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:49 -0400, David Spalding wrote:
>> Some fields cannot be edited, that's okay as they're drawn from
>> enterprise systems (contact servicedesk@redhat.com if something is
>> incorrect), but most of the fields Joan refers to can be, and perhaps
>> ought to be, filled in. It only takes a moment, you only need your
>> kerberos userid and password (same as e-mail) to login. 
> 
> While that's a good idea, wouldn't it be even better to have the data
> pulled from the authoritative source so it doesn't need updating?
> 
> I can search the corporate phone directory on my desk phone, so the data
> already exists. We just need to get it into the staff roster.


This is what I've been arguing for a while.  Expecting employees to keep updating this as details change, or expecting new employees to update this duplicate data is wrong.

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Am 24.08.2011 21:49, schrieb David Spalding:
> This is a great opportunity to request any and all staff to please log in to the new intranet, click your userid in the upper right header, and click "Edit" (followed by the "Profile Information" link) to update the information in your intranet profile. Joan isn't the only associate who relies upon the intranet roster to look up and contact colleagues.
>

David, I remember that this was tried several times already.

It would be really user friendly and great if we'd not only get the 
external numbers provided from the new roster itself.
Having a separate page for the extension-external mapping that is not 
even linked to, isn't very usable either.

But here is another (TOSW) proposal:
Open the roster pages to be edited by everyone in a wiki manner.
Obviously it is in the interest of the person calling that the 
information is there next time it is needed. Not the person called.

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i know it's a bit old, but i still decided to reply.
The security auditor simply also checks for social engineering.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Wildeboer" <jwildebo@redhat.com>
To: memo-list@redhat.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:19:35 PM
Subject: Our security auditor is an idiot, how do I give him the information	he wants?

To be honest, I am not sure if this should be on friday-list for its
sheer stupidity, on rh-announce as a warning message or if I should
forward it to our security team.

So I decided to put it here. Read it, laugh about it but notice how
these policies do everything to avoid creating any sense of security at all.

http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants

A security auditor for our servers has demanded the following within two
weeks:

A list of current usernames and plain-text passwords for all user
accounts on all servers
A list of all password changes for the past six months, again in plain-text
A list of "every file added to the server from remote devices" in the
past six months
The public and private keys of any SSH keys
An email sent to him every time a user changes their password,
containing the plain text password
We're running Red Hat Linux 5/6 and CentOS 5 boxes with LDAP authentication.

As far as I'm aware, everything on that list is ether impossible or
incredibly difficult to get, but if I don't provide this information we
lose access to our payments platform, and any income we might have got
while we move away. Any suggestions for how I can solve or fake this
information?

[...]

Jan

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Very rarely Benjamin - in fact - it's pretty unheard of.

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Subject: Re: Our security auditor is an idiot,	how do I give him the information	he wants?

i know it's a bit old, but i still decided to reply.
The security auditor simply also checks for social engineering.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Wildeboer" <jwildebo@redhat.com>
To: memo-list@redhat.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 4:19:35 PM
Subject: Our security auditor is an idiot, how do I give him the information	he wants?

To be honest, I am not sure if this should be on friday-list for its
sheer stupidity, on rh-announce as a warning message or if I should
forward it to our security team.

So I decided to put it here. Read it, laugh about it but notice how
these policies do everything to avoid creating any sense of security at all.

http://serverfault.com/questions/293217/our-security-auditor-is-an-idiot-how-do-i-give-him-the-information-he-wants

A security auditor for our servers has demanded the following within two
weeks:

A list of current usernames and plain-text passwords for all user
accounts on all servers
A list of all password changes for the past six months, again in plain-text
A list of "every file added to the server from remote devices" in the
past six months
The public and private keys of any SSH keys
An email sent to him every time a user changes their password,
containing the plain text password
We're running Red Hat Linux 5/6 and CentOS 5 boxes with LDAP authentication.

As far as I'm aware, everything on that list is ether impossible or
incredibly difficult to get, but if I don't provide this information we
lose access to our payments platform, and any income we might have got
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Any chance these coming LDAP / User Identification changes allow us to =
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I had asked about this over a year ago and was told that it would... =
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Larry,

That has been a common request. It has been added to the list of requirements. I don't want to promise this can happen without asking all the right questions of the right people. I will keep you posted.

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Any chance these coming LDAP / User Identification changes allow us to start going by our preferred names versus our legal names in ClearSpace, Company Directory, etc.? 


I had asked about this over a year ago and was told that it would... still anxiously waiting. Any word on if and when? 








"Larry" Spangler 
Manager, Solutions and Channels 
Global Solutions & Strategy Office 
Red Hat, Inc. 
919.274.6812 


On Aug 24, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Tracy Harris wrote: 



In response to the recent comments about the staff roster concerns, specially the phone numbers, we hear you. 

The Enterprise IT Services team has been discussing this concern for the past month. The plan has been to address this as part of the larger LDAP/user identification work. A meeting is already scheduled to begin this. I also understand there was a lengthy discussion that took place last March that lead to the decision to have the current format. Part of it was to not overload people with too many phone numbers. The introduction of a "external number" was thought to alleviate the need for so many. There is some history that will help us make this a better experience for the Intranet users. 

We will keep you posted on the progress being made. In the meantime, it would be most helpful if you could take a moment and update the External Number field in your profile. After signing on, click on your user name at the top, right corner. Under Edit, then Profile Information, you will find External Number. By adding the full phone number, including country code, in which you prefer to be contacted, this would be appreciated by me and all the associates. 


Regards, 

Tracy Harris 
Business Analyst 
Enterprise IT Services Tower 
Red Hat, Inc. 
Office: 919-890-8324 

_______________________________________________ 
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On 08/24/2011 06:54 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote:
>> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office
>> phone numbers. All it lists is office extensions!! That is a real issue
>> for those of us that work remote. You'd think that a company our size
>> and global at that...that we'd have an application that included all
>> employees office phone numbers. Makes it very difficult to converse with
>> someone when you can't find out how to reach them.
> 
> If you fill out your profile, you can add both mobile and external 
> numbers.  For example...
> 
> https://home.corp.redhat.com/user/cbredese

I had no idea this was possible.  I even raised a ticket about
this with IT, and they didn't know either.

Andrew.

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First, it's going to take longer than 30 seconds for each person to 
figure out what needs done and update it.
I'll give you 2 minutes, which is probably still low on average.

So instead of someone getting the process started to do it correctly, to 
keep the data synchronized,
you'd prefer we waste a few weeks of paid employee time (4000 employees 
* 2 minutes each adds up!)
updating it manually?

-Dennis

On 08/24/2011 06:35 PM, Mike Darretta wrote:
> Totally agree...this should be automated. And while we're discussing this, can everyone please take 30 seconds and update their profiles ;)?
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> On Aug 24, 2011, at 3:32 PM, James 'Doc' Livingston wrote:
>> On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 15:49 -0400, David Spalding wrote:
>>> Some fields cannot be edited, that's okay as they're drawn from
>>> enterprise systems (contact servicedesk@redhat.com if something is
>>> incorrect), but most of the fields Joan refers to can be, and perhaps
>>> ought to be, filled in. It only takes a moment, you only need your
>>> kerberos userid and password (same as e-mail) to login.
>> While that's a good idea, wouldn't it be even better to have the data
>> pulled from the authoritative source so it doesn't need updating?
>>
>> I can search the corporate phone directory on my desk phone, so the data
>> already exists. We just need to get it into the staff roster.
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On 15:23 Thu 25 Aug     , Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 08/24/2011 06:54 PM, Chris Bredesen wrote:
> > On 08/24/2011 01:49 PM, Joan Richards wrote:
> >> The new Intranet Staff Roster does not list out individual's office
> >> phone numbers. All it lists is office extensions!! That is a real issue
> >> for those of us that work remote. You'd think that a company our size
> >> and global at that...that we'd have an application that included all
> >> employees office phone numbers. Makes it very difficult to converse with
> >> someone when you can't find out how to reach them.
> > 
> > If you fill out your profile, you can add both mobile and external 
> > numbers.  For example...
> > 
> > https://home.corp.redhat.com/user/cbredese
> 
> I had no idea this was possible.  I even raised a ticket about
> this with IT, and they didn't know either.
> 

I think it's a feature of the current wiki, which is relatively new.

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The process you refer to is already started and in progress, I think 
that's been identified. I think we're just proposing that in the 
meantime, each individual, on his or her own initiative and in available 
time, just go 'head and fill in the information. Y'know, acting on  the 
same principles that this company was founded on -- taking initiative, 
"getting it done," not waiting for someone else to fix something "someday."

Part of the reason we're dealing with this is that we adopted a good, 
current, robust (ahem) open source solution to our intranet needs, and 
instead of making staff wait any longer for it to be implemented with 
all the possible bells and whistles that anyone could possibly want, it 
was adopted quickly and effectively, and a team kept in place to make 
constant improvements in answer to real needs identified by real users. 
I thought this was what we associates are crying for again and again in 
general meetings.

On 08/25/2011 04:59 PM, Dennis Reed wrote:
> First, it's going to take longer than 30 seconds for each person to 
> figure out what needs done and update it.
> I'll give you 2 minutes, which is probably still low on average.
>
> So instead of someone getting the process started to do it correctly, 
> to keep the data synchronized,
> you'd prefer we waste a few weeks of paid employee time (4000 
> employees * 2 minutes each adds up!)
> updating it manually?
>
> -Dennis

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On Wed, 2011-08-24 at 16:56 -0400, Tracy Harris wrote:

> The Enterprise IT Services team has been discussing this concern

In my mind, the interim solution is simple. We make it a requirement for
folks to complete various compliance training by the end of the year,
and we can make it a requirement to update the wiki sooner than that. If
there's no deadline or sense of urgency, this stuff will never get done.

Sure, we can also populate this stuff automatically (though bear in
mind, the solution is not to replace the data people specifically put in
with automatic data that might also be wrong - it does need to be
possible to have a profile page with alternatives), but until then, it's
very simple to say "everyone has until X to get this done or Y happens".

Jon.


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Hello,

can you direct me to a recent product portfolio slide that gives an 
overview of all our products?
The one with the red blocks:
-Infrastructure
-Middleware
-Management
-Services
seems quite outdated to me. That structure doesn't reflect our strategy.
The one from the RHEL6 gold deck is very RHEL focused.

I need that slide for a partner onboarding presentation.

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This is a pretty disappointing recap of 20 years of Linux.  The author
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allude to everyday services running on Linux (airlines, Amazon, etc) he
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/08/25/linux.20/index.html?iref=allsearch


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you should read his blog - be warned you'll need caffeine and matchsticks for your eyes, his style of writing has always been ubercrap.

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This is a pretty disappointing recap of 20 years of Linux. The author fails to make the distinction between the adoption rates of Linux in the end user space versus in data centers. And then when he finally does allude to everyday services running on Linux (airlines, Amazon, etc) he implies that they are run on SUSE. REALLY?? 

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming.gadgets/08/25/linux.20/index.html?iref=allsearch 



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I don't expect much from someone who refers to Usenet as a "Web bulletin
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Looking for a resident "Python on RHEL 6" expert for some advice on
moving OpenShift-Flex from RHEL 5 to RHEL 6.1.

One odd behavior change I'm seeing in RHEL 6 is that some of our
try/except handlers for KeyError no longer work.

We rely on "except KeyError:" extensively for quickly skipping a block
of code if key is not present in a dict.

One example comes from a set of decorators we have on a REST API
controller class.  For various reasons dealing with Adobe Flex as a
UI[1], we had to augment HTTP basic authentication by allowing POST
parameters to carry authentication. 

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/opt/vostok/lib/python2.6/site-packages/console-1.0_b-py2.6.egg/console/lib/manager_decorators.py", line 130, in auth_function
    vauth_username=request.params["vauth_username"]
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/webob/multidict.py", line 314, in __getitem__
    return self._decode_value(self.multi.__getitem__(self._encode_key(key)))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/webob/multidict.py", line 440, in __getitem__
    raise KeyError(key)
KeyError: 'vauth_username'



Comes from the routine...


def check_authorized(cluster_anon=False):
    """Decorator to authenticate a manager routine"""
    def auth_wrapper(f):
        def auth_function(*args, **kw):
            if not (cluster_anon and (Clusterconf().cluster == "")):
                try:
                    vauth_username=request.params["vauth_username"]
                    vauth_password=request.params["vauth_password"]
                    if valid_password(request.environ, vauth_username, vauth_password):
                        request.environ['AUTH_TYPE'] = 'vauthform'
                        request.environ['REMOTE_USER'] = vauth_username
                except KeyError:
                    pass


etc...



I'm pretty sure that the thread actually stops there on the exception -
things that are logged later in the same method never show up in syslog.

What gives?  Is abrt somehow changing the definition of KeyError so its
no longer the one we're expecting?  Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only
hope!

    Cheers,
    Rob

Notes:
1.  We started with Adobe Flex in mid 2008 cause that's what was there
that did a good job with the tasks we had (incl. live updating graphs).
We will eventually move to HTML 5 but that's going to take quite a bit
of engineering.


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On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 10:20 -0700, Robert L. Millner wrote:
> Looking for a resident "Python on RHEL 6" expert for some advice on
> moving OpenShift-Flex from RHEL 5 to RHEL 6.1.
>=20
> One odd behavior change I'm seeing in RHEL 6 is that some of our
> try/except handlers for KeyError no longer work.
>=20
> We rely on "except KeyError:" extensively for quickly skipping a block
> of code if key is not present in a dict.
>=20
> One example comes from a set of decorators we have on a REST API
> controller class.  For various reasons dealing with Adobe Flex as a
> UI[1], we had to augment HTTP basic authentication by allowing POST
> parameters to carry authentication.=20
[...]
> I'm pretty sure that the thread actually stops there on the exception -
> things that are logged later in the same method never show up in syslog.
>=20
> What gives?  Is abrt somehow changing the definition of KeyError so its
> no longer the one we're expecting?  Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only
> hope!

 Pretty sure it's not abrt, as that should only be playing with
sys.excepthook ... I guess you want to check what KeyError is in both
cases (at both the raise and the except lines). But I don't see how that
would changed based on py2.4 vs. py2.6


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On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 04:56:40PM -0400, Tracy Harris wrote:
> In response to the recent comments about the staff roster concerns, specially the phone numbers, we hear you. 

  Hum, what about getting the Profile Information "Bio Page URL" and
"Profile Content" back ? Their data seems to have vanished, and they
can't be updated anymore (and can't be seen in the main view), at least
that's true for my account. It was useful to provide extended contact
informations that don't always fit in the current data set. It's rather
important for example for remotees who don't sit in an "Office" to be
ablt ot provide addresses even if that doesn't fit in the corporate
roster database,

 thanks in advance,

Daniel

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Hi

Does anybody have an access to this piece of hardware? So we could check if RHEL 6 is also affected?

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733872

Lubos

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There is on HDMI audio upstream for anything after Radeon HD 4xxx series. Its currently blocked somewhere in AMD.

Dave.

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> Does anybody have an access to this piece of hardware? So we could
> check if RHEL 6 is also affected?
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733872
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> Lubos
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On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 14:56 -0400, James Antill wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 10:20 -0700, Robert L. Millner wrote:
> > Looking for a resident "Python on RHEL 6" expert for some advice on
> > moving OpenShift-Flex from RHEL 5 to RHEL 6.1.
> > 
> > One odd behavior change I'm seeing in RHEL 6 is that some of our
> > try/except handlers for KeyError no longer work.
> > 
> > We rely on "except KeyError:" extensively for quickly skipping a block
> > of code if key is not present in a dict.
> > 
> > One example comes from a set of decorators we have on a REST API
> > controller class.  For various reasons dealing with Adobe Flex as a
> > UI[1], we had to augment HTTP basic authentication by allowing POST
> > parameters to carry authentication. 
> [...]
> > I'm pretty sure that the thread actually stops there on the exception -
> > things that are logged later in the same method never show up in syslog.
> > 
> > What gives?  Is abrt somehow changing the definition of KeyError so its
> > no longer the one we're expecting?  Help me Obi-Wan, you're my only
> > hope!
> 
>  Pretty sure it's not abrt, as that should only be playing with
> sys.excepthook ... I guess you want to check what KeyError is in both
> cases (at both the raise and the except lines). But I don't see how that
> would changed based on py2.4 vs. py2.6

If this is still an issue, please open a bug in bugzilla against
"python" in RHEL 6, and I can take a look (to avoid further mails to
memo-list).

[by default, "KeyError" refers to __builtins__.KeyError, which is a name
for "exceptions.KeyError".  If there's a different KeyError in global or
local scope at either of the "raise" and "except" than that would shadow
that builtin, and cause the symptoms you're seeing; you can verify this
with "print KeyError" statements.  Or you could be seeing a deeper bug
in the interpreter]

Hope this is helpful
Dave

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On 08/25/2011 07:16 AM, Chris Ward wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Our church has several workstations on their last leg and is trying to
>> budget for their replacement. The church has historically purchased
>> custom workstations from a local tech shop but has never been entirely
>> pleased with the service. They also have no technical individuals on
>> staff, so they rely on paying for tech support by the hour (extremely
>> costly). I've suggested looking into leasing as an alternative for
>> both
>> the financial (pay over three years) and support benefits.
>>
>> I'd be grateful for any thoughts, ideas, concerns.
>>
>> - is leasing cost effective for a non-profit?
>> - what services/support are generally not covered?
>> - options: Dell, Lenovo, other?
>> - other considerations?
>>
>
> If they're just workstations for internet and word processing,
> no special applications tied to a particular OS, why not
> go with [used] Mac [products]. (don't shoot!) In my experience,
> they are the easiest (and sexiest) for non-techie's to get working
> out of the box.

Actually, Chris, that would be my 2nd choice (after Fedora + 
LibreOffice). It's a staff of less than seven, average age 50+, and most 
have iPhones and/or iPads. However, there's substantial fear for 
anything different. I'm having a hard enough time trying to convince 
them of the benefits of Gmail/Google Apps or hosted Exchange rather than 
the decade-old Exchange Server that's constantly breaking and/or getting 
viruses.

-- 

Mike Amburn
http://red.ht/mamburn

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I'm going to go out on a limb and describe what I'm doing.


I manage the one workstation and 2 laptops used by the rector and vestry of my church.   We use ACS "People" and "Finacials" for doing the ordinary business of a church.

For about 8 years before I took it on the maint had been "don't touch it".  The one computer was by then very old, running Windows 95SE.  We'd been paying ACS for updates which sat in the drawer because they would no longer run on the OS we had.  I had to send the entire database to ACS to update and send back (which they did wonderfully, efficiently and at no additional cost).

To replace the old machine I solicited donations of $25 from the congregation, explaining what I meant to do.  It only took 16 parishioners' donations to purchase an Asus EEE PC and a new LCD monitor.  It came with Windows XP professional (I paid for the upgrade so I could manage accounts on a multi-user office machine).  It's been taking up less space, less power and doing more to keep people happy for two years than the previous lead weight.  I've kept up with updates, coordinating with the clerk, treasurer and other user.

Next fall (Oct 2012) I intend to raffle the current machine off and purchase a new one. I kept the original box, restore media, invoice etc. I'll offer 50 tickets at $10 each.  It's not a relic yet, so it will do nicely as someone's desktop replacement.  Great for a student.  I'll also solicit backers again who will cover any shortfall (which I don't expect).  The backers will pay up front so I can purchase the new machine, install it, and then clean and prep the old one for it's new owner.

Then, I'll go back to the Vestry and offer to do the same thing with the two laptops so we get on a one-a-year cycle and nothing ever ages to uselessness again.

Regarding Linux in the church office: don't bother.  I tried.

I worked with the users for a month of Sundays on a test machine to show them how it would work.  The fact was, it was too much work for them.  With the exception of the rector and the secretary, these are volunteers.  I have to do everything  I can to ease their work or they'll refuse to take the job again (especially treasurer).  They all have Windows computers ready, (one does have a Mac, but he's more savvy and already is familiar with windows as well for the little he needed to do).

The ACS software doesn't run on Linux.  It turns out that even the easy learning curve of LibraOffice and Firefox on a turnkey account for other tasks took longer to train than it was worth.  Forcing the users to shift gears to volunteer drove candidates away.

So, you need to do what's best for you.  What's worked best for me is cheap, small, standard hardware. Use the most readily available OS and software as required by your users to do their tasks. Plan for turn over both in people and hardware. Make every task as thought-free as possible both for you and your users.  Use the good will of your congregation to keep everyone's work up front.

Leasing is more expensive in $$$.  If you have it, great, but you'll still have to do the migrations, so you're not saving any work.

Weigh the options and do what works best for you and your users.

- Mark


----- Original Message -----
> On 08/25/2011 07:16 AM, Chris Ward wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> Our church has several workstations on their last leg and is trying
> >> to
> >> budget for their replacement. The church has historically purchased
> >> custom workstations from a local tech shop but has never been
> >> entirely
> >> pleased with the service. They also have no technical individuals
> >> on
> >> staff, so they rely on paying for tech support by the hour
> >> (extremely
> >> costly). I've suggested looking into leasing as an alternative for
> >> both
> >> the financial (pay over three years) and support benefits.
> >>
> >> I'd be grateful for any thoughts, ideas, concerns.
> >>
> >> - is leasing cost effective for a non-profit?
> >> - what services/support are generally not covered?
> >> - options: Dell, Lenovo, other?
> >> - other considerations?
> >>
> >
> > If they're just workstations for internet and word processing,
> > no special applications tied to a particular OS, why not
> > go with [used] Mac [products]. (don't shoot!) In my experience,
> > they are the easiest (and sexiest) for non-techie's to get working
> > out of the box.
> 
> Actually, Chris, that would be my 2nd choice (after Fedora +
> LibreOffice). It's a staff of less than seven, average age 50+, and
> most
> have iPhones and/or iPads. However, there's substantial fear for
> anything different. I'm having a hard enough time trying to convince
> them of the benefits of Gmail/Google Apps or hosted Exchange rather
> than
> the decade-old Exchange Server that's constantly breaking and/or
> getting
> viruses.
> 
> --
> 
> Mike Amburn
> http://red.ht/mamburn
> 
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Thanks for sharing, Mark. We also use ACS (possibly moving to ACS 
Access/Online), so for many reasons this information was most helpful. 
The raffle, in particular, is a brilliant idea.

-Mike

On 08/29/2011 11:15 AM, Mark Lamourine wrote:
> I'm going to go out on a limb and describe what I'm doing.
>
>
> I manage the one workstation and 2 laptops used by the rector and vestry of my church.   We use ACS "People" and "Finacials" for doing the ordinary business of a church.
>
> For about 8 years before I took it on the maint had been "don't touch it".  The one computer was by then very old, running Windows 95SE.  We'd been paying ACS for updates which sat in the drawer because they would no longer run on the OS we had.  I had to send the entire database to ACS to update and send back (which they did wonderfully, efficiently and at no additional cost).
>
> To replace the old machine I solicited donations of $25 from the congregation, explaining what I meant to do.  It only took 16 parishioners' donations to purchase an Asus EEE PC and a new LCD monitor.  It came with Windows XP professional (I paid for the upgrade so I could manage accounts on a multi-user office machine).  It's been taking up less space, less power and doing more to keep people happy for two years than the previous lead weight.  I've kept up with updates, coordinating with the clerk, treasurer and other user.
>
> Next fall (Oct 2012) I intend to raffle the current machine off and purchase a new one. I kept the original box, restore media, invoice etc. I'll offer 50 tickets at $10 each.  It's not a relic yet, so it will do nicely as someone's desktop replacement.  Great for a student.  I'll also solicit backers again who will cover any shortfall (which I don't expect).  The backers will pay up front so I can purchase the new machine, install it, and then clean and prep the old one for it's new owner.
>
> Then, I'll go back to the Vestry and offer to do the same thing with the two laptops so we get on a one-a-year cycle and nothing ever ages to uselessness again.
>
> Regarding Linux in the church office: don't bother.  I tried.
>
> I worked with the users for a month of Sundays on a test machine to show them how it would work.  The fact was, it was too much work for them.  With the exception of the rector and the secretary, these are volunteers.  I have to do everything  I can to ease their work or they'll refuse to take the job again (especially treasurer).  They all have Windows computers ready, (one does have a Mac, but he's more savvy and already is familiar with windows as well for the little he needed to do).
>
> The ACS software doesn't run on Linux.  It turns out that even the easy learning curve of LibraOffice and Firefox on a turnkey account for other tasks took longer to train than it was worth.  Forcing the users to shift gears to volunteer drove candidates away.
>
> So, you need to do what's best for you.  What's worked best for me is cheap, small, standard hardware. Use the most readily available OS and software as required by your users to do their tasks. Plan for turn over both in people and hardware. Make every task as thought-free as possible both for you and your users.  Use the good will of your congregation to keep everyone's work up front.
>
> Leasing is more expensive in $$$.  If you have it, great, but you'll still have to do the migrations, so you're not saving any work.
>
> Weigh the options and do what works best for you and your users.
>
> - Mark
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> On 08/25/2011 07:16 AM, Chris Ward wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> Our church has several workstations on their last leg and is trying
>>>> to
>>>> budget for their replacement. The church has historically purchased
>>>> custom workstations from a local tech shop but has never been
>>>> entirely
>>>> pleased with the service. They also have no technical individuals
>>>> on
>>>> staff, so they rely on paying for tech support by the hour
>>>> (extremely
>>>> costly). I've suggested looking into leasing as an alternative for
>>>> both
>>>> the financial (pay over three years) and support benefits.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be grateful for any thoughts, ideas, concerns.
>>>>
>>>> - is leasing cost effective for a non-profit?
>>>> - what services/support are generally not covered?
>>>> - options: Dell, Lenovo, other?
>>>> - other considerations?
>>>>
>>>
>>> If they're just workstations for internet and word processing,
>>> no special applications tied to a particular OS, why not
>>> go with [used] Mac [products]. (don't shoot!) In my experience,
>>> they are the easiest (and sexiest) for non-techie's to get working
>>> out of the box.
>>
>> Actually, Chris, that would be my 2nd choice (after Fedora +
>> LibreOffice). It's a staff of less than seven, average age 50+, and
>> most
>> have iPhones and/or iPads. However, there's substantial fear for
>> anything different. I'm having a hard enough time trying to convince
>> them of the benefits of Gmail/Google Apps or hosted Exchange rather
>> than
>> the decade-old Exchange Server that's constantly breaking and/or
>> getting
>> viruses.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike Amburn
>> http://red.ht/mamburn
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Memo-list@redhat.com
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My laptop has an HD5800 series chip in it. Not exactly the same thing, but I have the same exact problem that is described in the Bugzilla. I also have a convenient way of testing it. 

Andy 

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> Hi

> Does anybody have an access to this piece of hardware? So we could
> check if RHEL 6 is also affected?

> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733872

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Hello Andrig, 


could you please clone this bug to product RHEL6 so we could keep track of it?


Lubos

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My laptop has an HD5800 series chip in it. Not exactly the same thing, but I have the same exact problem that is described in the Bugzilla. I also have a convenient way of testing it. 

Andy 

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Hi 

Does anybody have an access to this piece of hardware? So we could check if RHEL 6 is also affected? 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733872 

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Everyone,

I often use doodle.com to find times for personal events when folks have 
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I also often struggle scheduling business meetings with 5+ parties since 
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Is there anything like doodle available internally? If not, is there an 
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I can certainly try to do so. 

Andy 

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> From: "Lubos Kocman" <lkocman@redhat.com>
> To: "Andrig Miller" <anmiller@redhat.com>
> Cc: "memo-list@redhat.com List" <memo-list@redhat.com>,
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> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:34:24 AM
> Subject: Re: ATi Radeon HD5730/1GB-VRAM

> Hello Andrig,

> could you please clone this bug to product RHEL6 so we could keep
> track of it?

> Lubos

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrig Miller" <anmiller@redhat.com>
> To: "Lubos Kocman" <lkocman@redhat.com>
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> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:22:02 PM
> Subject: Re: ATi Radeon HD5730/1GB-VRAM

> My laptop has an HD5800 series chip in it. Not exactly the same
> thing, but I have the same exact problem that is described in the
> Bugzilla. I also have a convenient way of testing it.

> Andy

> ----- Original Message -----

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> Hi

> Does anybody have an access to this piece of hardware? So we could
> check if RHEL 6 is also affected?

> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733872

> Lubos

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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:24:50AM -0400, Mike Khusid wrote:
> Everyone,
> 
> I often use doodle.com to find times for personal events when folks
> have different constraints. I love their ease of use and free (as in
> beer) availability.
> 
> I also often struggle scheduling business meetings with 5+ parties
> since everyone's Zimbra changes often, may not be up to date, and
> Zimbra puts me as a single bottleneck for moving schedules.
> 
> Is there anything like doodle available internally? If not, is there
> an open source equivalent to their tool that we can deploy in house?

Pleft might meet your needs and is GPLv3:
http://www.pleft.com/
http://code.google.com/p/pleft/


-- 
Paul

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opensource.com weekly highlights

MISS SOMETHING ON OPENSOURCE.COM LAST WEEK?

     * Free as in sake: The story of Koji - 
http://opensource.com/life/11/7/free-sake-story-koji
       Mike McLean, lead developer for Koji

     * The new media and why the $99 HP Touchpad could spark a digital 
renaissance - 
http://opensource.com/business/11/8/digital-magazines-new-media-and-why-hps-99-tablet-could-spark-digital-renaissance
       Rebecca Fernandez, opensource.com Business channel contributor

     * Education Reform: Insert your favorite "Wrath of Khan" joke blog 
title here - 
http://opensource.com/education/11/8/insert-your-favorite-wrath-khan-joke-blog-title-here
       Greg DeKoenigsberg, founder, Digital Commoners

     * Open thread: What classes have you taken online? - 
http://opensource.com/education/11/8/open-thread-what-classes-have-you-taken-online
       Mary Ann Bitter, opensource.com Education channel moderator

     * Mobile patent wars and Linux in context - 
http://opensource.com/law/11/8/mobile-patent-wars-and-linux-context
       Keith Bergelt, CEO, Open Invention Network

     * GOSCON: Open source beyond cutting costs - 
http://opensource.com/government/11/8/goscon-open-source-beyond-cutting-costs
       Gunnar Hellekson, Chief Technology Strategist, Red Hat US Public 
Sector group

WHERE'S OPENSOURCE.COM?

     * September 9-11: Ohio LinuxFest. Session: Ruth Suehle on open 
source in healthcare, Friday at 4 p.m.
     * October 12-15: Frontiers in Education


-- 
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David Spalding <dspaldin@redhat.com> wrote:

> Some fields cannot be edited, that's okay as they're drawn from enterprise
> systems (contact servicedesk@redhat.com if something is incorrect ), but
> most of the fields Joan refers to can be, and perhaps ought to be, filled
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> (same as e-mail) to login.

I looked at mine.  I can see unmodifiable fields which *ought* to be drawn
from the enterprise systems, but in practice it seems that none of them are.

David

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On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 16:41 -0400, Jason Hibbets wrote:

>      * The new media and why the $99 HP Touchpad could spark a digital 
> renaissance - 
> http://opensource.com/business/11/8/digital-magazines-new-media-and-why-hp’s-99-tablet-could-spark-digital-renaissance
>        Rebecca Fernandez, opensource.com Business channel contributor

Not to start a huge memo-list thread, but I was able to get one of these
$99 (actually, $150, I got the 32GB model) HP Touchpads. Sure, the
software future is unclear, there are not necessarily many more "apps"
coming, etc. BUT as an inexpensive tablet I can use to read my Google
Reader (or other RSS aggregation service), LKML, and watch MIT OCW
videos while I'm working out at the gym...it's awesome. If you get a
chance to pick up one of these - and set your expectations accordingly -
I think it's worth trying to get one of the forthcoming "final run".

I'm not really worried about getting Android on it. It was $100. In
another year, I'll probably buy a super-awesome official Google branded
tablet we don't know about yet, etc. But that's another year I've
managed to resist buying an iPad as a stopgap tablet solution :)

Jon.


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+1

it is also Linux under the covers and there was a few tweaks listed that I haven't tried yet (like change the scheduler)

----- Original Message -----
> On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 16:41 -0400, Jason Hibbets wrote:
> 
> >      * The new media and why the $99 HP Touchpad could spark a
> >      digital
> > renaissance -
> > http://opensource.com/business/11/8/digital-magazines-new-media-and-why-hp’s-99-tablet-could-spark-digital-renaissance
> >        Rebecca Fernandez, opensource.com Business channel
> >        contributor
> 
> Not to start a huge memo-list thread, but I was able to get one of
> these
> $99 (actually, $150, I got the 32GB model) HP Touchpads. Sure, the
> software future is unclear, there are not necessarily many more "apps"
> coming, etc. BUT as an inexpensive tablet I can use to read my Google
> Reader (or other RSS aggregation service), LKML, and watch MIT OCW
> videos while I'm working out at the gym...it's awesome. If you get a
> chance to pick up one of these - and set your expectations accordingly
> -
> I think it's worth trying to get one of the forthcoming "final run".
> 
> I'm not really worried about getting Android on it. It was $100. In
> another year, I'll probably buy a super-awesome official Google
> branded
> tablet we don't know about yet, etc. But that's another year I've
> managed to resist buying an iPad as a stopgap tablet solution :)

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From: Andrig Miller <anmiller@redhat.com>
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Okay, I have cloned the bug, and here is the link to the RHEL 6.x bugzilla: 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=734913 

----- Original Message -----

> From: "Lubos Kocman" <lkocman@redhat.com>
> To: "Andrig Miller" <anmiller@redhat.com>
> Cc: "memo-list@redhat.com List" <memo-list@redhat.com>,
> desktop-qa-list@redhat.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:34:24 AM
> Subject: Re: ATi Radeon HD5730/1GB-VRAM

> Hello Andrig,

> could you please clone this bug to product RHEL6 so we could keep
> track of it?

> Lubos

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrig Miller" <anmiller@redhat.com>
> To: "Lubos Kocman" <lkocman@redhat.com>
> Cc: "memo-list@redhat.com List" <memo-list@redhat.com>,
> desktop-qa-list@redhat.com
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:22:02 PM
> Subject: Re: ATi Radeon HD5730/1GB-VRAM

> My laptop has an HD5800 series chip in it. Not exactly the same
> thing, but I have the same exact problem that is described in the
> Bugzilla. I also have a convenient way of testing it.

> Andy

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "Lubos Kocman" <lkocman@redhat.com>
> To: desktop-qa-list@redhat.com
> Cc: "memo-list@redhat.com List" <memo-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 1:32:52 AM
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> Hi

> Does anybody have an access to this piece of hardware? So we could
> check if RHEL 6 is also affected?

> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=733872

> Lubos

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http://lifehacker.com/5836294/supercharge-your-new-hp-touchpad-with-preware

Enjoy free programs

----- Original Message -----
> On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 16:41 -0400, Jason Hibbets wrote:
> 
> >      * The new media and why the $99 HP Touchpad could spark a
> >      digital
> > renaissance -
> > http://opensource.com/business/11/8/digital-magazines-new-media-and-why-hp’s-99-tablet-could-spark-digital-renaissance
> >        Rebecca Fernandez, opensource.com Business channel
> >        contributor
> 
> Not to start a huge memo-list thread, but I was able to get one of
> these
> $99 (actually, $150, I got the 32GB model) HP Touchpads. Sure, the
> software future is unclear, there are not necessarily many more "apps"
> coming, etc. BUT as an inexpensive tablet I can use to read my Google
> Reader (or other RSS aggregation service), LKML, and watch MIT OCW
> videos while I'm working out at the gym...it's awesome. If you get a
> chance to pick up one of these - and set your expectations accordingly
> -
> I think it's worth trying to get one of the forthcoming "final run".
> 
> I'm not really worried about getting Android on it. It was $100. In
> another year, I'll probably buy a super-awesome official Google
> branded
> tablet we don't know about yet, etc. But that's another year I've
> managed to resist buying an iPad as a stopgap tablet solution :)

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On Wed, 2011-08-31 at 17:23 -0400, Greg Pryzby wrote:
> http://lifehacker.com/5836294/supercharge-your-new-hp-touchpad-with-preware

I did. Not that great actually, and good luck getting a working
terminal. But it's $100. Just view it as a non-changeable
non-upgradeable "web surfing while you watch TV" or cheap "doesn't
matter if it breaks in the gym" device and you're golden.

Let's take this to friday-list too. Just wanted to mention that Preware
isn't really worth the hassle. All you really want to do is download the
webOS update manually, install that with the "Doctor", and you're done.

Jon.


